Your Voice: Time to stop illegal immigrants
by Earl Jess, Tracy
May 07, 2010 | 2438 views | 26 26 comments | 12 12 recommendations | email to a friend | print
EDITOR,

The recent immigration law passed in Arizona may not be totally right, but at least it’s a step in the right direction.

If you or I get stopped in a car by the police, we have to show ID, and receipt of registration. Why shouldn’t they?

A number of our congressional representatives — Rep. Nancy Pelosi, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Sen. Barbara Boxer and others — want to give the millions of illegals already here in America amnesty.

What exactly does that entail? Does it mean that the 11 million or 22 million or whatever million already here automatically become citizens? Or will they have to attend classes to learn our language, laws and customs?

If those already here are granted amnesty, what is going to stop the current number of illegals already here from doubling and demanding amnesty, also?

It has to stop somewhere — they are already a serious drain on our social programs, such as welfare, food stamps, hospitals and others.

Our jails and prisons are full of illegals who came here expecting an easy life, and when it didn’t happen they turned to a life of crime. It wasn’t handed to them on a silver platter, so they decided to just take it.

The one thing that I don’t understand is that it seems that the illegals seem to be of the opinion that as soon as they step foot on American soil, they are automatically entitled to all the rights and privileges of a citizen who was born and raised here. And actions by organizations like the American Civil Liberties Union only seem to enforce that thought.

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lt1981
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May 21, 2010
California was taken from the Mexicans, however, it was a war, they lost, end of file, that is history...

If you want your point to have some foundation please speak where people can understand what you are saying.

This issue is not about what happened in the past, this issue is about what is happening now. And I do agree with the law, because what about those who do come legally? Why should they be slapped in the face?

Before you assume anything, I am hispanic, and I do not think its right for those who break the law to be rewarded. It's the law. Plain and simple. If you don't like that, then leave, nothing is keeping you in this country... if you don't want to abide by the laws of this country, then don't come to begin with. Simple...
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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May 15, 2010
Rd_runner

Fer a feller that won't address my indecipherable drivel yer doin a fine job at addressin my comments ta ya. Thought ya would have given up th last time ya mentioned it.

Guess th whole world is about you an yer ideal utopian view about it.

Yer belaborin an issue that has always been an always will be. He who has th gold makes th rules an wields th power. Thank I'm off base, check out th financial worth of members of Congress, th Senate, th current administration an virtually all th state governments as well. Run by th rich ain't it? Th one's who own th gold.

Ya might not like it, nor do I much, but that's th way it is an it don't look like it's gonna change any time soon but probably get worse.

Sides, yer complaint about my usin English falls on deaf ears considerin thair ain't much effort being placed ta ensure everyone in this country uses it.

So instead of runnin around like th Chaparell an doin th snake dance, start usin that magnificent brain of yers ta start supportin th nation yer livin in instead of findin fault about how th nation, all nations fer that matter, were historically formed.

Or do we simply sweep all th history inta dustbin an solely concentrate on what you seem ta think th problem is.

Guess if we were ta follow yer notions we'd still be under British rule.

Look my unenlightned friend, Californa an Texas was under th Mexican goverment rule for a sum total of 28 years and three of em we were in a war with them.

They lost, we won. But instead of kickin th roughly 7,000 families back ta Mexico then we allowed em ta stay an become citizens. If they didn't want ta become citizens they went back ta Mexico.

Some of em stayed an thair families have become important members of our nation taday.

But even then, fer th Californian land that was seized, which included Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Utah, half of Colorado and parts of western Kansas and Oklahoma, not to mention a portion of Wyoming, th treaty signed by Mexico and th United States gave th equavalent of over $350 billion dollars in taday's money ta Mexico an followed it up with an additional equavalent of over $85 billion dollars in taday's money fer personal property damages.

Now, please tell me any other country in th history of mankind on this planet that has won a war and then purchased the land an made reparation damages ta th country they defeated.

Oh them nasty ole Americans goin around an causin all this trouble in history that we should hate!

Larn th history of th great nation ya live in an when ya talk ta people hopefully ya won't come off sounding so ignorant.

BTW, what significant thang has th Mexican nation done fer th world since thair defeat an signin of the Treaty of Hildago?
Rd_runner
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May 15, 2010
Curmudgeon,

Again I must remind you, that I will not address your indecipherable drivel. If you choose to communicate in the English language, I will be happy to address your issues as they pertain to this column; some of your issues are beyond help, I'm afraid.

And by the way, since you were so quick to assume my background based on my comments may I draw conclusions on yours??

Perhaps you could put down your corn cob pipe, quit a-whittlin wood and spittin in the spitoon for a bit, maybe give maw the night off and put your banjo down. ONCE AGAIN, ( try to pay attention this time) my comments emphasized a reaction to an action.... doesn't matter who had this land 300 years ago. Hell, the Geico caveman could have. The point is, this land was taken by force, and now there is a reaction. Your move, BillyBob......
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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May 14, 2010


Rd_runner

Almost forgot, if ya want me ta play yer game ya gotta answer the question, "can ya tell me how many years California was under Mexican rule before it was "taken" away from em?"

An watch out fer ole Wylie, I hear he's gettin hungry these days an don't wanna see ya invited ta his house fer dinner. Beep-beep. :)
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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May 14, 2010
Rd_runner

Fer not bein able ta "get past" what I wrote ta ya, ya shore did a pretty good job of comprehendin it.

But that's OK, it's easy ta launch an ad hominem on someone when ya can't thank of a better argument. Ya get an "A " fer than en.

Ok I'll play along with yer game an go along with yer notion we should give th lands back ta th original people who were thair first.

Now please get off my continent unless yer ancestry originally came from here.

But yer point is well taken.

That sorta thang happens as time moves forward, it's called progress an its been happenin well before humanity developed writin. Care ta read some ancient Babylonian with me?

Wonder who would be controllin them Native Hawaiians taday if th USA hadn't taken control of it first? Japan comes ta mind. Considerin what thair nation did ta th people in Northern China an Mongolia just before WWII I'm thankin th native Hawaiians wouldn't have done so well.

But I don't expect ya ta believe me, look at how Native Okinawans are treated taday by thair nation of Japan.

Th problem with lookin at thangs through yer rose colored kaleidoscope inta history is that while they might have a gripe, thangs very easily could have turned out worse for em like it did my ancestors here in th US long before th first European explorer set foot on th soil of th Western Hemisphere.

So, if yer of th notion ta give th land back just how far back inta history do ya wanna go?

An as far as my education goes, if ya got yer Masters Degree then perhaps ya can lecture me on my education. But ya had better graduated with a GPA very close ta a 4.0 or I am not very apt ta take notes on yer lecture.
Rd_runner
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May 13, 2010
"Ebonics" might as well be ebonbics, as much sense as you make..
Rd_runner
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May 13, 2010
Ornely,

I can't even get past your version of Ebonbics to read your post. Take a few college classes or dust off your history books. Generation after generation has seen lands stolen, acquired -choose your own words- by stronger countries. The U.S. is no exception in terms of being the aggressor in that category. Native Hawaiians are still bitter over their "colonization" by American businessmen who had the full support of the U.S. Government in acquiring Hawaii.

My point simply is that sometimes your actions come with a not very pleasing reaction.
ConcernedNeighbor
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May 13, 2010
MMMM, who occupied Santa Fe, New Mexico before the "Americans" it took over.

What about the Mayans, their land and way of life violated by what country?

Change sure does not come easy.

Happens all over the world, still is happening. The invading and conquering, mostly politics and conquest for wealth.

CN
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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May 13, 2010
Rd_runner

Thank ya had better brush up on yer American History a little afore ya start makin comments about who owned what an what was stolen from who.

If yer not from Texas I wouldn't really expect ya ta know much about Texas history as it's not really taught in California public schools. An, sad ta say, it's apparent that California history has been PC watered down so that much of it isn't larned by California public school students taday.

But that don't apparently stop people from ignorantly commentin does it?

From yer writin it appears yer Hispanic an yer Hispanic pride, regardin who controls th land yer livin in, is rather skewed an misinformed. Or perhaps yer just another weak kneed liberal PC apologist that shifts his or her position which ever way th wind is blowin or what ever.

Don't know an really don't care. But it's apparent yer uninformed about that portion of American history and are unaware of th atrocities that were committed against many different types of people at th time.

Since ya seem or indicate ya have some knowledge about th issues involvin th US, an more importantly California, can ya tell me how many years California was under Mexican rule before it was "taken" away from em?

But more ta th point,if yer proposin givin it all back ta th original peoples who controlled th land,then ya had better move most Americans off US soil an give it all back ta th control of the indigenous tribes who lived here centuries before th first Europeans landed in this hemisphere.

Ain't it odd when people start slingin around words pertainin ta illegal immigration or takin back land that was allegedly "stolen" under terms like "Manifest Destiny," a racism charge usually follows. But virtually no one taday will consider th original indigenous peoples who populated th continent an providin "restitution" fer seizing thair land an exterminatin them?

Why is it only th illegal Hispanic alien that gets held in th light of favor when considerin thangs like land usage or reclaimin lands they erroneously thank they have a right to?

Sorry friend but yer comment smacks of a La Rasa agenda an I hope I am wrong in that assessment.

An victor_jm,

Thanks, it was intended ta.
Rd_runner
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May 13, 2010
Typo below. I would NOT steal someone's land to begin with...
Rd_runner
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May 13, 2010
Why does no one touch upon Manifest Destiny? The notion that the American people had a divine right to acquire, occupy, steal land from others? Mexico, among other countries, had it's land taken by force.

Several American citizens "moved" to Texas, while it was still Mexico, then suddenly declared that they were independent of Mexico. The U.S. government was only too happy to help them assert that right. Several states were taken after that, I'm sure many of us are familiar with what followed suit.

Perhaps our country's current situation with illegal immigrants is a by product of Manifest Destiny. Or maybe this is karma. Hm..

I think the strategic thing to do when these former Mexican territories were seized would have been to kick ALL the Mexicans out. Then they would not have been allowed to gain the political and cultural foothold they now have. But that didn't happen. Someone apparently didn't think things through. I don't agree with that, but then again I would steal someone's land to begin with.

So many have been victimized under the banner of Manifest Destiny. America planted seeds, and now they're coming to fruition.

What is the answer? I don't know. But maybe our country is getting a taste of what it feels like to be victimized.
victor_jm
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May 12, 2010


Ornley,

Your manure analogy stinks.
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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May 12, 2010
victor_jm

Ya wrote,

"How did the word “ignorant” come about? Do you suppose it was conceived for a reason?"

So ya won't be walkin around in ignorance ya can find th answers ta these questions by goin ta http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ignorant.

Ya also wrote,

"This City is sullied by many ignorant, indolent, benighted people who make the communal experience unpleasant—and they do nothing all day but smoke, drink, watch television, play video games, engage in illicit activity—and their yards look like landfills."

True, but it seems thair are those "enlightened" an "educated" people in Tracy that are doin th same thang an choose ta come ta these comment sections ta make thair comments all th while thankin thair manure don't smell as bad as th people thair complain about. Guess thair ignorant of that fact. So, should they too be "educated" on how ta behave well in a society in order ta fix what's wrong instead of just mindlessly and ignorantly complainin about it?

Seem th door of ignorance an ignorant behavior swings both ways now don't it?

Got no problem with immigrants of different elasticities comin ta live in my country, as long as they come legally an abide by all th laws an social customs of th American Citizens who live here. Th only problem I have with immigration is th illegal aspects of it that to many people taday want ta sweep under the rug an ignore.

When I was brought up as a kid I was taught that two wrongs don't make a right. When ya start off by breakin th law an illegally enter, work an live here, ya just can't logically make it legal when all th thangs ya have done ta get here have been illegal in th first place.

An don't anyone out thair dare ta call me racist cus I got hispanic an black family members who I love an respect just as much as I do the Native Indian an White European members of my family.

Th difference between them an many other immigrants is they all, except th ones who were born here, came ta th US legally an all of them reject th notion that any of em are hyphenated Americans. Instead they all refer to themselves as Americans an leave th elements of race alone.
victor_jm
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May 11, 2010
Longtimetracyrez,

Let me enlighten you about something. This City is sullied by many ignorant, indolent, benighted people who make the communal experience unpleasant—and they do nothing all day but smoke, drink, watch television, play video games, engage in illicit activity—and their yards look like landfills.

Ignorant, indolent, benighted people are a threat to the community. Do you deny that such people exist? I will be happy to take you on a tour, if this will help. Furthermore, I don’t know about you, but I am embarrassed by these people.

Oakland is nearing 40 homicides already this year, and you seem to want us to call killers something other than vile barbarians. Well, guess what? Oakland is teeming with vile barbarians—and Tracy has its share, as well. If you fail to acknowledge the truth, you will never have the courage to find a solution.

How did the word “ignorant” come about? Do you suppose it was conceived for a reason?

Too many people in this country are intellectually dead by age 13 and you want us to follow a yellow brick road.

Wake up!

storkfmny
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May 11, 2010
The Mexican government loves the open border policy, the two biggest reasons being,

1) The Mexicans that come here are Mexico's poorest citizens. From the Mexican governments point of view, they will have no poor class if they export their slums to the US. These same people send almost twenty billion dollars back to Mexico every year, stimulating the Mexican economy and dwindling the resources in the states. It would be the equivalent of sending all the people on welfare in the US to Canada, our social ills would be solved.

2) It is no secret that the Mexicans are trying to establish a stronghold all over the US now for the day they decide to attack and "TAKE OVER" and it is going to get ugly people. Just watch the videos on youtube of Laraza and mexican take over of the US southwest. (and they won't stop there either).

Arm yourselves and be prepared everyone amd don't say you didn't see it coming.

Click on the links below to see the truth, we can't afford them anymore. It would actually be much much cheaper to pay a little more for your produce in the long run. SAVE YOUR COUNTRY NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE AND BE PREPARED TO FIGHT, THEY ARE. THEY CLAIM THIS IS ALREADY A CIVIL WAR AND CALL US STUPID FOR LETTING THEM DO IT.

http://immigrationcounters.com/photos.html

http://www.politicallyincorrectfacts.com/Illeg

al Immigration/Costs.htm
ConcernedNeighbor
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May 11, 2010
longtimetracyrez-

"Its interesting to see comments from Concerned Neighbor classify an entire class of people as "illiterates".."

and what entire class was that?

The uneducated ones? Yes, but entire class, I don't think so. You must know there are illiterates in every race?

Educated ones just have better chances of getting jobs in Mexico... no? Even there are Americans working in Mexico! But would the LAW ABIDING Americans go to Mexico, illegally? Would the illiterate Americans even find work in Mexico or any parts of the world for that matter?

Just would face tougher times being illiterate, no matter what nationality, race, class, and so on.

Hope that clears it up?

CN
sg88
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May 11, 2010
longtimetracyrez, I respect your opinion and do agree that just throwing insults back and forth is pointless.

However, I do not think that making perfectly healthy prisoners and other groups work is ignorant. We pay for them to live, is it that much to ask to make them work? I think not. The Soviets and Nazis forced the sick and weak to work to their deaths. What victor and CN propose is to require a form of payment for the nice treatment that they receive.
longtimetracyrez
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May 11, 2010
sg88 - nowhere in my comments do i purport to have a solution. You miss the point of my comments, which is to leave the insults, inflamatory comments out of the discourse. I learn nothing from those type of comments and frankly, am not interested in them. I can skip over them but unfortunately I am not clairvoyant to know which comments arent worth reading before looking at them. I read in the hopes that someone might offer a realistic solution /idea to what is very serious issue we face as a country. I hope that sheds some enlightenment on your day.
sg88
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May 11, 2010
longtimetracyrez, you seem to think your well read. Please enlighten us as to what the solution is?
longtimetracyrez
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May 11, 2010
Its interesting to see comments from Concerned Neighbor classify an entire class of people as "illiterates" and victor_jm state that Mexico has nothing to offer more than a pathetic soccer team.

I enjoy reading what others in town have to offer, Ive lived here 40 or so years. When the climate wasn't so politicized and people understood one another, or at least attemped to. You do no one a favor with your ignorant views (maybe you should think twice about suggesting forced labor as a means of production and punishment, I believe Soviet Gulags attempted that and you see the results of that effort.)

Perhaps a course in history, political science, sociology and anthropology would help you understand the issues we face. Maybe then you can you can contribute in a more positive manner that helps others. Otherwise you just come across as you have, uneducated and filled with useless opinions.


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