Your Voice: Carnegie belongs to everyone
by Earl Jess, Tracy
Jan 05, 2010 | 1697 views | 18 18 comments | 8 8 recommendations | email to a friend | print
EDITOR,

In recent articles in the Tracy Press, The Record and the Tri-Valley Herald and on TV, reporters were talking about the possible closure of the Carnegie off-road park. Pictures in the Press showed people holding signs reading “Don’t close our park,” as if they, the off-roaders, have sole possession of and rights to the park.

Actually, it is no more their park than it is of any other resident of California. It belongs to and is maintained by the state park service. Although it is set up basically as an off-road vehicle park, it is still for anyone to use.

There are a lot of off-roaders getting a bum rap, because you have some rotten apples in the barrel who seem to think that, just because they have a bike or an ATV, they can ride anywhere they want with no regard to the damage they are doing to the environment, leaving ruts that, with the winter and spring rains or winter snowmelt, cause serious erosion problems.

I don’t totally agree with the environmental groups that are pushing the issue, but it seems to me if you need to get certain permits to keep the park open, you would be better served working toward that end than standing in front of a TV camera spouting “I’m mad as hell.”

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Green_Acres
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January 08, 2010
Tracy Press,

Would you publish how much a front page advertisement cost during the beginning of the 2008 election season?

$10k ?

$14k ?

Does that money belong to EVERYONE?

Green_Acres
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January 08, 2010
Tracy Press,

Can you ask the owners of the Tule Elk Hunt Park that was NOT closed if, it used to cost over $14,000 to hunt an tule elk (back in November 2008)?

And if this is a plan to recover the $4000?

Barbecue
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January 08, 2010
To the Tracy Press -

Earl Jess says EVERYONE? But, I can't buy it. Get it? Does anyone there know who are the owners of the tule elk hunting farm?

Anyone?

Is it part of the park or someone's ranch and who collects the $10,000 hunt fees?

Earl Jess,

Did you ever get a dime of that $10,000 dollars? I don't believe I got one penny of it. Can you explain?

greedy2BenefitTheFew
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January 08, 2010
I wonder why the Tracy Press might speak out about shutting down our children's parks. I hope they don't support any of these candidates in that district. Or any other office for that matter. One can only hope. Reading the comments and seeing the gang violence gives people an awful sense of what is wrong with society. People just don't give a rip about what Tracyites are losing. All for personal and financial and political gain? The silence is deafening.
Eucman
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January 08, 2010
One more point.

"Pictures in the Press showed people holding signs reading “Don’t close our park,” as if they, the off-roaders, have sole possession of and rights to the park."

After looking at the pictures I took at the rally, it dawned on me that most of these signs were held, and written by, CHILDREN. Imagine that. Kids taking ownership and responsibility for a state run park! How great is that! They're not out spraying graffiti, or breaking playground equipment, or doing drugs. They're fighting for "their" park. I, for one, am extremely proud of them.

Semper Fi little ones
Eucman
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January 08, 2010
First off, the quote "save our park." in no way denotes sole possession. Even though we (OHV users)are the ones that pay for the park. And to blow our own horn, SVRA parks are the ONLY parks in this state that are operating in the black.



As for the "mad as hell" quote, we ARE mad as hell! We have no problem with getting the permits, the problem, when that quote was made, was with the sneak attack that was made. The park has been working with various agencies for years on water issues, and at no time was a request made for a waste water discharge report. Then, before we were even given a chance to produce one, the judge ordered the park to be closed. How is that fair?

Now, after further research, we come to find out what is really behind the lawsuit. Personal gain for the Connolly Ranch. It's really that simple.

Listen, OHV users are not in this sport to ruin the environment, we take great pride in our efforts to maintain the few riding areas we have left. Trail maintenance days are actually quite fun, and are not done because we have to, there done because we want to. If all we wanted to do was make noise and go fast, we could do that on street bikes or race cars on a track. There's more to it than that. OHV use is about time with family and friends spent in the outdoors. It's about overcoming fears and accomplishing goals. It's about making it to the top of a trail and stopping to take it all in. To me personally, it's about watching my 8yr old daughter mature and grow. Some of my proudest moments have been watching her do this at Carnegie. From watching her first race at Carnegie, where she swore she was going to get sick when she lined up at the starting gate, then proceeding to take third place, against mostly older boys I might add, to stopping in the middle of a race to help up a fallen rider. My chest swells with pride just thinking about it.

We are not the bad guys. We are Carnegie.
ILiveHere2
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January 06, 2010
And for Tracy Press reporter, here are the 10th district maps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California's_10th_congressional_district_special_election,_2009

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ca10_109.gif

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/findyourreps.xpd?state=CA&district=10

ILiveHere2
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January 06, 2010
Oops. Or is that Congressman John Garamendi's district now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ca11_109.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California's_11th_congressional_district

ILiveHere2
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January 06, 2010
Tracy Press,

Would you please have a reporter address these issues and provide a follow up? I am providing the following list of questions and a link to a website? I would like to know if it jives with what the author said.

See below and also follow the link provided (http://www.mumwildlife.com/mum/site/hunting_programs/connolly_ranch.php).

1.) Why on earth the environmentalists were complaining about water issues in the middle of a drought?

2.) Also, would you please explain who is "working to acquire additional elk tags "?

3.) Would shutting down the recreational OHV Park at Carnegie help to "provide even m ore tule elk hunting on private property for our clients."?

4.) Is Governor John Garamendi part of the 11th district that covers the Elk Hunt Park and the OHV Park?

http://www.mumwildlife.com/mum/site/hunting_programs/connolly_ranch.php

Here's what it said:

"Connolly Ranch, CA.

TULE ELK

The tule elk hunting has been challenging, due mainly to the drought conditions the last two seasons. While two trophy bull hunters harvested nice bulls, the third sportsman elected not to shoot an elk and has been invited back in 2009 at a highly reduced rate. We are in the process of working to acquire additional elk tags on the ranch directly adjacent to the Connolly Ranch, which would help our hunting program.

We are also talking with several other ranchers about putting their properties into the Private Land Management Program. This would provide even m ore tule elk hunting on private property for our clients. Writing and implementing wildlife management plans for private landowners is all part of MUM's professional services.

2009 Hunt Prices

1x1 4 day Tule Elk Hunt $10,500

"

ILiveHere2
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January 06, 2010
CN,

I see. So you think that a portion of Carnegie Park is an elk ranch/park for elk hunting?

Doesn't sound like much of a "park" that could be used by "everyone" to me?

If so, I think the author may be interested in knowing that informaion?

Earl Jess,

I wonder if you could comment?

From who/whom did you get your inputs?

Certainly sounds like that would be EXCLUSIVE and NOT for "everyone"?

Not hoping for more blunders by environmental extremists. Just hoping for answers.

Tracy Press,

Would you get to the bottom of this?
ConcernedNeighbor
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January 06, 2010
Not the Park, the Elk Ranch.

Thanks.

CN
ConcernedNeighbor
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January 06, 2010
Just amazed that the "PETA" was not after "them" for their profitable Elk Hunting sessions.

Would rather see it closed, due to stray bullets?

CN

ILiveHere2
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January 06, 2010
Earl Jess,

Let's not get carried away with the "snow melt"?

Isn't that how this got started in the first place?

The last time it snowed (not that it does often) anyway it melted before it even hit the ground.

Rain I can see, but that so-called "creek" is dry as a bone.

I just hope we could we put some thought into these issues instead of acting like environmantal extremists or as another commentor said:

Using "canned speaches and statements" from the environmental extremists?

ILiveHere2
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January 06, 2010
Earl Jess,

Could you explain to us readers why you feel that the park isn't just for OHV? Are you saying that Garamendi and Connolly operate the elk hunt? Is that elk hunt also a portion of the same park too?

Please explain?

As someone once said, "why can't we all just get along?
ILiveHere2
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January 06, 2010
I'm simply not impressed with a letter to the paper that tries to justify the actions of enviromnental extremists when the goof up and try to shut down parks.

NO WAY, my friend!!!!!!

An article in the Tracy Press said that the issue was NOT the OHV Park. Apparenly it was caused by a mine?

I can't speak for environmental extremest groups. But did Garamendi and Connolly ask those questions first?

And who owns and operates the elk hunt up there? Was that slated to get shut down too?

Maybe the Ellis park (track is trying to shutdown) doesn't have a "real" environmental issue either?

Wouldn't surprise me none.

ConcernedNeighbor
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January 06, 2010
Carnegiewarrior4life, I am glad you are taking active participation with your children's lives! I am sure that you have done them a huge favor by steering their energy to positive outlet rather than join a gang for their aggressive outlet.

Good for you!

Always wondered why the environmentalist extremists did not go after Livermore Lab, since they do contaminate the groundwater! Seems it is easier to pick on the voters?

CN
MiniSimp
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January 06, 2010
I am all for preservation of nature. That is not the issue here. The problem is that the park did not do their water testing that they are required to do. (not that there is any water to test)

The park is an outlet for the sport, if it's closed then SOME people will ride and wheel where ever they want (legal or not).

As far as what can be done from an outsiders point of view, I don't know, but THE PARK MUST REMAIN OPEN!

-Kyle Simpson

Tracy Resident

Off-road Enthusiast
Carnegiewarrior4life
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January 06, 2010
Where would you suggest we ride? Is it your thought that OHV's should be stopped everywhere?

I am serious. I have not heard one suppoters thoughts on this, just some canned speaches and statements. Most of us stay on the marked trails, you are issued citations if you happen to stray. We enjoy this hobby we can do together as a group with our children. By the way we ride with folks agee 4 to 66. I think that it is an awesome age range. It is a common bond between many generations of our family. My children have learned many life skills from this sport and I belive they are better citizens because of it. I am not picking an fight just stating my opinion and wanting to hear yours.


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