City looks to reshape downtown
by Denise Ellen Rizzo / Tracy Press
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The city of Tracy’s Bill Dean (left) and Andrew Malik discuss the future Tracy downtown plan with members of the Tracy City Center Association’s Land Use Committee.  Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
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As plans get under way to formulate the future of Tracy’s downtown using a series of workshops, city officials have requested input from area landowners.

“It’s a significant plan,” assistant director of development and engineering services Bill Dean told members of the Tracy City Center Association’s Land Use Committee on Tuesday afternoon. “We will look at the plan lot-by-lot,” during a minimum of six workshops.

Development department director Andrew Malik told the committee that city officials realize they can’t force downtown’s retail market to blossom. He said the city must, however, be grounded in some type of reality for planning out the downtown’s future. He said, right now, downtown is too spread out.

Dean said the city’s proposal is to bring retail back into a specific downtown zone. He said the workshops will go over a draft plan that will address a number of things related to downtown, including zoning, business standards and designs.

The goal is to concentrate businesses in a specific downtown are to enhance its drawing power and give people a feel that they’re visiting a unique part of the city.

Downtown property owner Dino Margaros said he had hoped the city’s plan was something that could gently guide the future of downtown Tracy. He said downtown is already better than it was 20 years ago.

“We’re discussing this for a reason,” he said. “It’s positive that the interest is there.”

To help improve the area, Margaros said there has to be a balance to the types of businesses that move into the downtown. He said landlords have to look for renters that would help downtown, as opposed to ones that would just pay the rent.

Sixth Street property owner Dale Cose added that, though the plan sets the stage for an improved downtown, housing must be present before the city worries about retail. He questioned whether more properties could be turned into rentals for the current housing market.

Cose said some areas need to be mixed between retail and residential uses, including the West Side Market, which the city of Tracy plans to purchase and develop. Cose opposed a proposal that would require specific areas be left as open space.

One thing that will help the downtown achieve a sense of place is signs and markers, said planning commissioner Pete Mitracos. He said they will help visitors identify where the downtown starts and ends and enable the city to concentrate on those specific areas.

Business owner Ray Misfeldt, meanwhile, questioned why downtown could not attract big chain businesses. He said property owners and city officials need to continue to try and lure big names and chains.

Margaros said if the smaller businesses succeeded, then the chains would want to come into Tracy for a piece of the financial pie.

Cose said he didn’t think downtown met the requirements that big chain businesses set, such as a specific number of passers-by on both foot and driving. He said that’s the reason why they tend to set up shop at the West Valley Mall.

To make downtown successful, Mitracos said the city and retailers will need to break shoppers’ habits and get them into the heart of the city. He said that means businesses that draw people to the area.

“I really do care what happens,” he said. “Downtown is the future (of Tracy).”



At a glance

WHAT: Downtown Specific Plan workshop

WHEN: 7 p.m. April 27

WHERE: City Hall, Conference Room 109, 333 Civic Center Plaza

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TomBenigno
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April 28, 2011
Ornley _Gumfudgen:

Tom Benigno wrote:Thanks for worrying about my health, that is very nice of you but it's too late now. You should have been around in August 9th of 1983, if you were worried about my health. As for my experiences you have archived most of what you think is correct.

As for military service I have an Honorable discharge from that period. You keep telling me "to give it up" and then you keep asking questions. So I will if you will.

See you around.
dcose
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April 27, 2011
Ornley_Gumfudgen chastised me »

"...It's why some people apparently like ta come here an spar with ya."

It's true. I enjoy running the dog around the block. The not secret is...so does he.

:-)
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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April 27, 2011
TP

Thanks fer takin this article down, th comments were goin no whare an it was pointless fer em ta continue.
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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April 27, 2011
TomBenigno

Why yer persistin ta bring my name inta yer arguements with others is beyond me.

Ok, guess yer spoilin fer another verbal fight here.

How do ya know that Dale ain't a millionaire? Ya investgatin his finances?

As ta business, Dale seems ta be a whole lot more successful that what we've seen from ya over th years. He's in business an you ain't as fer as I can tell.

An since yer toutin yer accomplishments can we please get another rundown on yer once self acclaimed Korean War experiences? An don't tell me ya didn't intentionally try ta misrepresent yerself cus I got th TP evidence that I've archived a long time ago ta prove it.

Ya got inta this whole comment section cus Dale was doin somethang proactive in th community an ya just couldn't stand it.

Tom, give it up, it ain't worth yer health an all th problems ya get yerself involved in.

Please please please let it go. I fer one don't want ta get inta this with ya all over again. It's tiresome an frankly an insult ta th rest of yer family when I do it. I don't like that an doubt ya like it either.

Or if ya wanna argue with Dale leave my name out of it. Yep, I have commented, but didn't tie anyone's name ta th comment an it could apply ta anyone. Ta be honest, all of us seem ta have a little masochistic tendancies all th time. It's why some people apparently like ta come here an spar with ya.

Now go ahead an get in yer last word an I will consider if I will reply or not. Hopefully I won't have ta.
dcose
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April 27, 2011
SoftHeadBenigno refuses »

"I don't need to give you my resume, on what I have done all my life... I have a made a great impact on Tracy, from what I have done here."

Didn't ask for your life's resume... just the construction and development... because other than negative, no one knows what the great impact to Tracy is...

Happy thoughts Tom

TomBenigno
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April 27, 2011
HardHeadCose:

I don't need to give you my resume, on what I have done all my life. If you had spent more time on the job, and less time on the blog you would be a millionaire. I have a made a great impact on Tracy, from what I have done here. NOW, "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE"? As for MASOCHISM, Dale I'll leave that up to you and Ornley, you guys seem to know a lot about it.
2muchtimeonmyhands
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April 27, 2011
Saints should always be judged guilty until they are proved innocent, but the tests that have to be applied to them are not, of course, the same in all cases. In Gandhi’s case the questions on feels inclined to ask are: to what extent was Gandhi moved by vanity — by the consciousness of himself as a humble, naked old man, sitting on a praying mat and shaking empires by sheer spiritual power — and to what extent did he compromise his own principles by entering politics, which of their nature are inseparable from coercion and fraud? To give a definite answer one would have to study Gandhi’s acts and writings in immense detail, for his whole life was a sort of pilgrimage in which every act was significant. But this partial autobiography, which ends in the nineteen-twenties, is strong evidence in his favor, all the more because it covers what he would have called the unregenerate part of his life and reminds one that inside the saint, or near-saint, there was a very shrewd, able person who could, if he had chosen, have been a brilliant success as a lawyer, an administrator or perhaps even a businessman.

At about the time when the autobiography first appeared I remember reading its opening chapters in the ill-printed pages of some Indian newspaper. They made a good impression on me, which Gandhi himself at that time did not. The things that one associated with him — home-spun cloth, “soul forces” and vegetarianism — were unappealing, and his medievalist program was obviously not viable in a backward, starving, over-populated country. It was also apparent that the British were making use of him, or thought they were making use of him. Strictly speaking, as a Nationalist, he was an enemy, but since in every crisis he would exert himself to prevent violence — which, from the British point of view, meant preventing any effective action whatever — he could be regarded as “our man”. In private this was sometimes cynically admitted. The attitude of the Indian millionaires was similar. Gandhi called upon them to repent, and naturally they preferred him to the Socialists and Communists who, given the chance, would actually have taken their money away. How reliable such calculations are in the long run is doubtful; as Gandhi himself says, “in the end deceivers deceive only themselves”; but at any rate the gentleness with which he was nearly always handled was due partly to the feeling that he was useful. The British Conservatives only became really angry with him when, as in 1942, he was in effect turning his non-violence against a different conqueror.

But I could see even then that the British officials who spoke of him with a mixture of amusement and disapproval also genuinely liked and admired him, after a fashion. Nobody ever suggested that he was corrupt, or ambitious in any vulgar way, or that anything he did was actuated by fear or malice. In judging a man like Gandhi one seems instinctively to apply high standards, so that some of his virtues have passed almost unnoticed. For instance, it is clear even from the autobiography that his natural physical courage was quite outstanding: the manner of his death was a later illustration of this, for a public man who attached any value to his own skin would have been more adequately guarded. Again, he seems to have been quite free from that maniacal suspiciousness which, as E.M. Forster rightly says in A PASSAGE TO INDIA, is the besetting Indian vice, as hypocrisy is the British vice. Although no doubt he was shrewd enough in detecting dishonesty, he seems wherever possible to have believed that other people were acting in good faith and had a better nature through which they could be approached. And though he came of a poor middle-class family, started life rather unfavorably, and was probably of unimpressive physical appearance, he was not afflicted by envy or by the feeling of inferiority. Color feeling when he first met it in its worst form in South Africa, seems rather to have astonished him. Even when he was fighting what was in effect a color war, he did not think of people in terms of race or status. The governor of a province, a cotton millionaire, a half-starved Dravidian coolie, a British private soldier were all equally human beings, to be approached in much the same way. It is noticeable that even in the worst possible circumstances, as in South Africa when he was making himself unpopular as the champion of the Indian community, he did not lack European friends.

Written in short lengths for newspaper serialization, the autobiography is not a literary masterpiece, but it is the more impressive because of the commonplaceness of much of its material. It is well to be reminded that Gandhi started out with the normal ambitions of a young Indian student and only adopted his extremist opinions by degrees and, in some cases, rather unwillingly. There was a time, it is interesting to learn, when he wore a top hat, took dancing lessons, studied French and Latin, went up the Eiffel Tower and even tried to learn the violin — all this was the idea of assimilating European civilization as throughly as possible. He was not one of those saints who are marked out by their phenomenal piety from childhood onwards, nor one of the other kind who forsake the world after sensational debaucheries. He makes full confession of the misdeeds of his youth, but in fact there is not much to confess. As a frontispiece to the book there is a photograph of Gandhi’s possessions at the time of his death. The whole outfit could be purchased for about 5 pounds, and Gandhi’s sins, at least his fleshly sins, would make the same sort of appearance if placed all in one heap. A few cigarettes, a few mouthfuls of meat, a few annas pilfered in childhood from the maidservant, two visits to a brothel (on each occasion he got away without “doing anything”), one narrowly escaped lapse with his landlady in Plymouth, one outburst of temper — that is about the whole collection. Almost from childhood onwards he had a deep earnestness, an attitude ethical rather than religious, but, until he was about thirty, no very definite sense of direction. His first entry into anything describable as public life was made by way of vegetarianism. Underneath his less ordinary qualities one feels all the time the solid middle-class businessmen who were his ancestors. One feels that even after he had abandoned personal ambition he must have been a resourceful, energetic lawyer and a hard-headed political organizer, careful in keeping down expenses, an adroit handler of committees and an indefatigable chaser of subscriptions. His character was an extraordinarily mixed one, but there was almost nothing in it that you can put your finger on and call bad, and I believe that even Gandhi’s worst enemies would admit that he was an interesting and unusual man who enriched the world simply by being alive. Whether he was also a lovable man, and whether his teachings can have much for those who do not accept the religious beliefs on which they are founded, I have never felt fully certain.

Of late years it has been the fashion to talk about Gandhi as though he were not only sympathetic to the Western Left-wing movement, but were integrally part of it. Anarchists and pacifists, in particular, have claimed him for their own, noticing only that he was opposed to centralism and State violence and ignoring the other-worldly, anti-humanist tendency of his doctrines. But one should, I think, realize that Gandhi’s teachings cannot be squared with the belief that Man is the measure of all things and that our job is to make life worth living on this earth, which is the only earth we have. They make sense only on the assumption that God exists and that the world of solid objects is an illusion to be escaped from. It is worth considering the disciplines which Gandhi imposed on himself and which — though he might not insist on every one of his followers observing every detail — he considered indispensable if one wanted to serve either God or humanity. First of all, no meat-eating, and if possible no animal food in any form. (Gandhi himself, for the sake of his health, had to compromise on milk, but seems to have felt this to be a backsliding.) No alcohol or tobacco, and no spices or condiments even of a vegetable kind, since food should be taken not for its own sake but solely in order to preserve one’s strength. Secondly, if possible, no sexual intercourse. If sexual intercourse must happen, then it should be for the sole purpose of begetting children and presumably at long intervals. Gandhi himself, in his middle thirties, took the vow of BRAMAHCHARYA, which means not only complete chastity but the elimination of sexual desire. This condition, it seems, is difficult to attain without a special diet and frequent fasting. One of the dangers of milk-drinking is that it is apt to arouse sexual desire. And finally - this is the cardinal point — for the seeker after goodness there must be no close friendships and no exclusive loves whatever.

Close friendships, Gandhi says, are dangerous, because “friends react on one another” and through loyalty to a friend one can be led into wrong-doing. This is unquestionably true. Moreover, if one is to love God, or to love humanity as a whole, one cannot give one’s preference to any individual person. This again is true, and it marks the point at which the humanistic and the religious attitude cease to be reconcilable. To an ordinary human being, love means nothing if it does not mean loving some people more than others. The autobiography leaves it uncertain whether Gandhi behaved in an inconsiderate way to his wife and children, but at any rate it makes clear that on three occasions he was willing to let his wife or a child die rather than administer the animal food prescribed by the doctor. It is true that the threatened death never actually occurred, and also that Gandhi — with, one gathers, a good deal of moral pressure in the opposite direction — always gave the patient the choice of staying alive at the price of committing a sin: still, if the decision had been solely his own, he would have forbidden the animal food, whatever the risks might be. There must, he says, be some limit to what we will do in order to remain alive, and the limit is well on this side of chicken broth. This attitude is perhaps a noble one, but, in the sense which — I think — most people would give to the word, it is inhuman. The essence of being human is that one does not seek perfection, that one is sometimes willing to commit sins for the sake of loyalty, that one does not push asceticism to the point where it makes friendly intercourse impossible, and that one is prepared in the end to be defeated and broken up by life, which is the inevitable price of fastening one’s love upon other human individuals. No doubt alcohol, tobacco, and so forth, are things that a saint must avoid, but sainthood is also a thing that human beings must avoid. There is an obvious retort to this, but one should be wary about making it. In this yogi-ridden age, it is too readily assumed that “non-attachment” is not only better than a full acceptance of earthly life, but that the ordinary man only rejects it because it is too difficult: in other words, that the average human being is a failed saint. It is doubtful whether this is true. Many people genuinely do not wish to be saints, and it is probable that some who achieve or aspire to sainthood have never felt much temptation to be human beings. If one could follow it to its psychological roots, one would, I believe, find that the main motive for “non-attachment” is a desire to escape from the pain of living, and above all from love, which, sexual or non-sexual, is hard work. But it is not necessary here to argue whether the other-worldly or the humanistic ideal is “higher”. The point is that they are incompatible. One must choose between God and Man, and all “radicals” and “progressives”, from the mildest Liberal to the most extreme Anarchist, have in effect chosen Man.

However, Gandhi’s pacifism can be separated to some extent from his other teachings. Its motive was religious, but he claimed also for it that it was a definitive technique, a method, capable of producing desired political results. Gandhi’s attitude was not that of most Western pacifists. SATYAGRAHA, first evolved in South Africa, was a sort of non-violent warfare, a way of defeating the enemy without hurting him and without feeling or arousing hatred. It entailed such things as civil disobedience, strikes, lying down in front of railway trains, enduring police charges without running away and without hitting back, and the like. Gandhi objected to “passive resistance” as a translation of SATYAGRAHA: in Gujarati, it seems, the word means “firmness in the truth”. In his early days Gandhi served as a stretcher-bearer on the British side in the Boer War, and he was prepared to do the same again in the war of 1914-18. Even after he had completely abjured violence he was honest enough to see that in war it is usually necessary to take sides. He did not — indeed, since his whole political life centred round a struggle for national independence, he could not — take the sterile and dishonest line of pretending that in every war both sides are exactly the same and it makes no difference who wins. Nor did he, like most Western pacifists, specialize in avoiding awkward questions. In relation to the late war, one question that every pacifist had a clear obligation to answer was: “What about the Jews? Are you prepared to see them exterminated? If not, how do you propose to save them without resorting to war?” I must say that I have never heard, from any Western pacifist, an honest answer to this question, though I have heard plenty of evasions, usually of the “you’re another” type. But it so happens that Gandhi was asked a somewhat similar question in 1938 and that his answer is on record in Mr. Louis Fischer’s GANDHI AND STALIN. According to Mr. Fischer, Gandhi’s view was that the German Jews ought to commit collective suicide, which “would have aroused the world and the people of Germany to Hitler’s violence.” After the war he justified himself: the Jews had been killed anyway, and might as well have died significantly. One has the impression that this attitude staggered even so warm an admirer as Mr. Fischer, but Gandhi was merely being honest. If you are not prepared to take life, you must often be prepared for lives to be lost in some other way. When, in 1942, he urged non-violent resistance against a Japanese invasion, he was ready to admit that it might cost several million deaths.

At the same time there is reason to think that Gandhi, who after all was born in 1869, did not understand the nature of totalitarianism and saw everything in terms of his own struggle against the British government. The important point here is not so much that the British treated him forbearingly as that he was always able to command publicity. As can be seen from the phrase quoted above, he believed in “arousing the world”, which is only possible if the world gets a chance to hear what you are doing. It is difficult to see how Gandhi’s methods could be applied in a country where opponents of the régime disappear in the middle of the night and are never heard of again. Without a free press and the right of assembly, it is impossible not merely to appeal to outside opinion, but to bring a mass movement into being, or even to make your intentions known to your adversary. Is there a Gandhi in Russia at this moment? And if there is, what is he accomplishing? The Russian masses could only practise civil disobedience if the same idea happened to occur to all of them simultaneously, and even then, to judge by the history of the Ukraine famine, it would make no difference. But let it be granted that non-violent resistance can be effective against one’s own government, or against an occupying power: even so, how does one put it into practise internationally? Gandhi’s various conflicting statements on the late war seem to show that he felt the difficulty of this. Applied to foreign politics, pacifism either stops being pacifist or becomes appeasement. Moreover the assumption, which served Gandhi so well in dealing with individuals, that all human beings are more or less approachable and will respond to a generous gesture, needs to be seriously questioned. It is not necessarily true, for example, when you are dealing with lunatics. Then the question becomes: Who is sane? Was Hitler sane? And is it not possible for one whole culture to be insane by the standards of another? And, so far as one can gauge the feelings of whole nations, is there any apparent connection between a generous deed and a friendly response? Is gratitude a factor in international politics?

These and kindred questions need discussion, and need it urgently, in the few years left to us before somebody presses the button and the rockets begin to fly. It seems doubtful whether civilization can stand another major war, and it is at least thinkable that the way out lies through non-violence. It is Gandhi’s virtue that he would have been ready to give honest consideration to the kind of question that I have raised above; and, indeed, he probably did discuss most of these questions somewhere or other in his innumerable newspaper articles. One feels of him that there was much he did not understand, but not that there was anything that he was frightened of saying or thinking. I have never been able to feel much liking for Gandhi, but I do not feel sure that as a political thinker he was wrong in the main, nor do I believe that his life was a failure. It is curious that when he was assassinated, many of his warmest admirers exclaimed sorrowfully that he had lived just long enough to see his life work in ruins, because India was engaged in a civil war which had always been foreseen as one of the byproducts of the transfer of power. But it was not in trying to smooth down Hindu-Moslem rivalry that Gandhi had spent his life. His main political objective, the peaceful ending of British rule, had after all been attained. As usual the relevant facts cut across one another. On the other hand, the British did get out of India without fighting, and event which very few observers indeed would have predicted until about a year before it happened. On the other hand, this was done by a Labour government, and it is certain that a Conservative government, especially a government headed by Churchill, would have acted differently. But if, by 1945, there had grown up in Britain a large body of opinion sympathetic to Indian independence, how far was this due to Gandhi’s personal influence? And if, as may happen, India and Britain finally settle down into a decent and friendly relationship, will this be partly because Gandhi, by keeping up his struggle obstinately and without hatred, disinfected the political air? That one even thinks of asking such questions indicates his stature. One may feel, as I do, a sort of aesthetic distaste for Gandhi, one may reject the claims of sainthood made on his behalf (he never made any such claim himself, by the way), one may also reject sainthood as an ideal and therefore feel that Gandhi’s basic aims were anti-human and reactionary: but regarded simply as a politician, and compared with the other leading political figures of our time, how clean a smell he has managed to leave behind!

dcose
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April 27, 2011
SoftHeadBenigno:

"What kind of experience do you want me to have? Driving nails. I did that and been there. My expertise was in farming,land development and investing in retail business.

Didn't ask you about driving nails [that constitutes a very small part of construction] though now that you claim it, what kind of nails did you use and was it in conjunction with a building permit?... More pertinent questions... What kinds of buildings have you built? How much of the construction did you do? What classifications of contractor's license(s) do you hold? What kind of Land Development? Any commercial business and if so please detail. Residential, same request? What land use issues have you dealt with? Did you receive payments from 3rd parties for your expert work?... or was it having to do with your produce business?

"Now what's your experience in?"

For my experience, see a number of my previous posts and including all of the above questions I asked you.

:-)
TomBenigno
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April 27, 2011
HardHeadCose:

Tom Benigno wrote: What kind of experience do you want me to have? Driving nails. I did that and been there. My expertise was in farming,land development and investing in retail business. Now what's your experience in?
Ornley_Gumfudgen
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April 27, 2011
masochism - The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from being humiliated or mistreated, either by another or by oneself.

masochist - someone who obtains pleasure from receiving punishment.

Don't know about th rest of ya readin this but it shore sounds like an excellent description of someone who has frequented this particular comment section.

An frum historical observations, th word obsession also fits.

obsession - 1. a persistent idea or impulse that continually forces its way into consciousness, often associated with anxiety and mental illness

2. a persistent preoccupation, idea, or feeling

3. the act of obsessing or the state of being obsessed

Have fun in th litterbox kiddies. Please remember ta clean up after yeurselves so th next cat in th litter box can be more comfortable.
dcose
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April 26, 2011
Tom sniffed,

"I have been places and done things that you will never, be able to see or do and that pisses you off."

Why would your having some adventure "piss" me off? I only asked you to get some experience in the areas of construction & development (land use). BSing your way through is no way to go through life son.. Why not be honest?

"I think it's evident to the readers that I won't bend to your trash."

...you resisting an education continues to your disadvantage.

TomBenigno
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April 26, 2011
DCose:

Tom Benigno wrote

Dale, I will bet that I get the last laugh, before your game is over. I have been places and done things that you will never, be able to see or do and that pisses you off. Your a one horse town stooge, and it shows just look around.

I think it's evident to the readers that I won't bend to your trash.
dcose
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April 26, 2011
Hawkeye, glad to see at least the smaller things did not escape you.

"Now he makes reference to the "Germans bombing Pearl Harbor", "... Don would inform your son that didn't happen that way...."

On the other hand, MAC Trucks, Buildings, Development, Meteors...seem to run over you with astounding regularity.

I don't know why other countries laugh at you though I know why I do. No one requires you be clueless.
doors17
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April 26, 2011
Mr. Benigno, I don’t think the world was laughing at us, but with us. Comedies from that era like Animal House, Blazing Saddles and Airplane showed that we had the ability to laugh at ourselves and was a temporary escape from the daily insanity that I think we could use more of today.
TomBenigno
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April 26, 2011
Doors17:

Yes I got it, I said by Blutarsky. The movie reminded me why other countries laugh at us.
dcose
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April 26, 2011
2muchtimeonmyhands penned,

".......

If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.

[Though it escaped the writer, the previous sentence was my favorite.]

......."
doors17
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April 26, 2011
Can someone please call 2muchtimeonmyhands nurse and tell them it’s time for their medication.

DCose, I also loved Animal House, but I must admit it sure makes me feel like an old piece of dust to think that the movie is now 33 years old.

dcose
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April 26, 2011
The Benigno cried »

[writing wrote is repetitive] "... if you are sick of reading DCose continual childish comments against people, help stop it?"

:-)

doors17, one of my favorite movies... good cite.

Tom, stop looking so silly... take your underwear off your head... get some experience in the areas you claim to know of... Construction, Development, Land Use maybe read Measure A, maybe do a project ... get involved instead of being an arm-chairing blowhard.

doors17
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April 26, 2011
Mr. Benigno, In case you don’t know what DCose was referring to with the comment “Germans bombed Pearl Harbor” it’s a line from the movie Animal House that came out in 1978. It was the late actor and comedian John Belushi who played the role of Bluto Blutarsky who said the following from a hilarious scene in the movie…

D-Day (Bruce McGill): War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.

Bluto (John Belushi): Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

Otter (Tim Matheson): [whispering] Germans?

Boon (Peter Riegert): Forget it, he's rolling.

TomBenigno
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April 26, 2011
Readers:

Tom Benigno wrote if you are sick of reading DCose continual childish comments against people, help stop it?

Now he makes reference to the "Germans bombing Pearl Harbor", By Blutarsky. Talking about common sense. Don would inform your son that didn't happen that way. Besides your son wasn't even a glimmer in your eyes in those days, I hope. Talking about being on a roll,take a look in the mirror.


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