Council gets down to business of budget cuts
by Eric Firpo/ TP staff
Nov 03, 2009 | 2168 views | 49 49 comments | 18 18 recommendations | email to a friend | print
Members of the Tracy Fire Department and Tracy Police Department line the council chambers at City Hall on Tuesday night as the City Council discusses proposed layoffs that are part of an effort to trim the budget by $6.5 million. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
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In a room packed with police officers and firefighters, the Tracy City Council and others in the public got the first official look at proposed layoffs and cuts that would slash an estimated $6.5 million from the city’s budget.

Though there are ongoing talks between administrators and the city’s unions and other labor groups, it remains to be seen how many jobs can be saved as Tracy looks to cut the equivalent of 69 full-time jobs.

Many workers in Tracy have already been given layoff notices, and there are proposed cuts inside the fire and police departments — the two departments council members always hoped they could avoid trimming.

But never before has the city faced such dire financial straits, with an ongoing budget deficit in the city’s $53 million general fund that will reach $9 million this fiscal year.

On Tuesday, public vows in past years to protect police officers and firefighters were thrown back in the faces of council members.

“You promised you would not lay off public safety,” one woman told the council. “Who wants to work for a city that can’t keep its promises?”

Police Chief Janet Thiessen explained how her department would likely lay off four officers, cut a captain job, reduce employees in the records department, cut two sergeants, eliminate the deputy chief, cut crime scene analysts and cut workers at the city’s animal shelter.

But it was a proposal to disband the city’s gang unit that drew attention from the council, though the chief said officers would still fight gang crime even though some would be reassigned.

Mayor Brent Ives said it looks as though “we’re backing off gang work. I can’t imagine that happening.”

He said he wanted assurances that “in no way are we backing off gang interdiction and gang intelligence.”

Thiessen assured him that was true.

Though fire Chief Chris Bosch outlined cuts that included a captain, a vacant engineer’s job, the city’s fire marshal and two inspectors, no active firefighter jobs will be cut. And a plan is under way to try to save Tracy’s fire reserves, partly by paying them minimum wage instead of $17 an hour.

The council also seemed unhappy about a plan to close recreational swimming at Joe Wilson Pool in Dr. Powers Park, as it’s the only public pool in the city that has a shallow end for small children.

But closing the pool will save the city parks department $90,000, said Rod Buchanan, parks department director.

Cuts, the council said, are inevitable, given the city’s sinking sales tax and property tax income, which pays city workers.

“We have always invested in our employees,” said Councilwoman Suzanne Tucker. “We want as few layoffs as possible. But the bottom line is we have to cut millions of dollars from our budget.”
comments (49)
« RedHotChilliPeppers wrote on Friday, Nov 06 at 05:26 PM »
No that's not what he is saying. He's trying to take votes away from Larry. Maybe he's from the southside or something. It's his MO. Nothing new.
« shelly13 wrote on Friday, Nov 06 at 11:13 AM »
I still like the council roast at the Grand. How much for a ticket?
« shelly13 wrote on Friday, Nov 06 at 08:14 AM »
I am not a Brent Ives fan at all, however...

So are you saying that we should not vote into office anyone who has family that works in PD, FIRE or any other city departments such as the Rec dept etc??? Because it may be or become a conflict of interest? That's just silly.

I see where you are trying to go with your comment, but what we need to do is vote people into office who are honest and have intergrity to do what is right for the people of this city and not their own interests. Some people are able to do that and those are the people we want on the council.
« shelly13 wrote on Friday, Nov 06 at 07:46 AM »
mommyoftwo, I was being funny, not serious. That is why there is a smiley next to my comment for Pete's sake.

I agree that we should not cut any PD or EMS, FD and the cuts should come from other areas as suggested, Leon....

For those who are bashing the FD...wow, I guess you may have not really benefeted from their help or expertise in a way that makes you eternally gratefull. Just wait, you may be unfortunate enough to get that chance...and it will change your mind.

Have we all forgotten the brave women and men in the Police AND Fire on the date of Sept 11th??? Bless all of them. Be thankful for them and help this city think of better ways to cutback in these hard times rather than cutbacks with our safety.
« eyeswideopen2 wrote on Friday, Nov 06 at 07:31 AM »
It is clear from watching the council meeting that the real people who run the city are special interests groups (developers, firefighters) that get the council members elected. Its payback time to the fire dept for electing Ives and Abercrombie. Ives didn't want to see his son-in-law demoted in the fire dept. The city council works for the fire fighters. Screw the citizens
« Fur wrote on Friday, Nov 06 at 12:23 AM »
Let's see, Shift transition..... ok 30minutes, grab a cup of coffee and tell some stories.

Equipment checks, 30 minutes on the one unit your on and it's done properly. 30

Station maintenance, ummmm no. Maybe daily duties? Meaning the crew you relieved didn't do there's in the morning? Maybe 45 minutes. 45

Training (out of district) ok it's probably 2hrs, you get a pass for that.

Lunch/nap time.... 1hr no, add the hr and 15 from above and you now have a 2hr and 15 minute lunch/nap, no we are back to even with time, moving on.

Inspections and Pub Ed? maybe if the preschool comes to the fire house. 2hrs? not likely, do they even know what to inspect? Or is that why they pay a "Inspector" for that? So now you have wasted time and money for an extra position! Tax payers money

Study time (which you should have studied while you were "training" for 2 hrs, remember?) Equipment maintenance, which should have been done earlier in the day under your "equipment check". and now Report writing, this leaves 2hrs for reports on the first half of the days runs. what do they write about for the 15 minutes they were on scene if they even got there and it wasn't a false alarm or a no transport? Give me a break!

Dinner Prep and clean up? 2hrs? and then Station clean up for another hr? That is now 4hrs and 30 minutes on "station clean up and maintenance". Wow those stations where you work must be like Staten Island status clean! Crystal clean, like eating off the floor clean.

Plus another 2hrs of study time after that? SO now you've logged 4hrs of training/study time? Wow you must be smart at your station!

So your telling me you log 8 and a half hours during your day cleaning and studying? I want to work where you work! I would love to be smart and clean and maybe run a couple of calls during that time and get paid for it. You left out the work out time? At what point are you eating your ice cream in your recliners? is that your "Ready Time"? does "ready time" mean you are now ready to run a call? or does it mean you are too tired and need to relax so you're ready for your first call of the day?

Look, every station runs their shift different. The daily routine happens everywhere and people in the fire field know that. But honestly? Give me a break, the public wants to know where their money is going and I for one am dealing with the budgets cuts as well. Tracy fire department needs to take the hit just like every other public safety department out there. Firing firefighters and pd officers is the last thing we want. But they need to make the sacrifice like we are making. They are being greedy and uncooperative. Looks like a change needs to happen and it will get worse if they don't. I do agree with the union doing a test trial on offering 75% of their pay and seeing how many people do apply. I think it would open their eyes and bring them back down to reality!

Can't we all just get along and agree that this budget is going to hurt everyone?

« RedHotChilliPeppers wrote on Thursday, Nov 05 at 08:30 PM »
Whu not buy them a bagel instead? It's healthier.
« mommieoftwo wrote on Thursday, Nov 05 at 08:23 PM »
Gee Shelley13, What a sterotyped comment to make. But hey, if that is the only thing open at 4:00 A.M. and they need a boost of sugar and coffee to stay awake (because there is no "Policehouse" to sleep in while they wait for the next call) then the next doughnut is on me!
« shelly13 wrote on Thursday, Nov 05 at 07:12 PM »
informed2009, I thought when the PD did not have calls they were at the doughnut shop :)
« mnwild wrote on Thursday, Nov 05 at 04:52 PM »
How about this ...... If we MUST cut the PD presence in Tracy, then get Fire out of the stations and on the street "patrolling". They may not be able to apprehend, but they can be some of the eyes and ears the PD will be losing. Truth be told, the City of Sunnyvale has a very successful PUBLIC SAFETY program where their Fire and Police rotate between both operations. I'm not proposing that, but it shows it is possible for one to augment the other.

As for response time between Fire and AMR, in the past year I've unfortunately called for medical assistance 5 times, and each time Fire and AMR arrived within minutes of each other. One time Fire was first, next time AMR was first. I have no objections to the entire cavalry arriving when my husband needs help, but if only AMR arrives, I also have no objections, and they have always been professional and offered the necessary medical assistance.

And as far as this new "billing for service" the City is beginning, I'd rather have only AMR show up when I need them, 'cuz I KNOW my insurance will pay for their services, and will most likely NOT pay for Fire response. In this economy and on a fixed income, I don't want to deal with the possibility of unexpected medical expenses when AMR can do the job.
« informed2009 wrote on Thursday, Nov 05 at 03:57 PM »
Sometimes you HAVE to rob Peter to pay Paul. For my money I will take more police officers on the street.

When nothing is going on for the fireman they eat, sleep, train and work out.

When nothing is going on for the policeman, they will go find a drug dealer or drunk driver. They will check your neighborhood. I am certain they would like to get paid to stay fit, maybe catch a nap at work, but they are ever diligent in their patrols.

« guapo wrote on Thursday, Nov 05 at 11:40 AM »
Voice of Reason,

Way to dumb it down, you are obviously an AMR employee. My wife used to work there so don't try to pull the wool over our eyes. AMR is a private company and they could become a victim of the economy as quickly as any other for profit company. Most of their employees are great but their management could care less about the citizens of Tracy.

"The people of Tracy didn't ask the fire department to take on a very expensive paramedic program."

Really? Ask the family members of those who have benefited from having two Paramedics in the back of the ambulance on the way to the hospital. Bet they don't mind.

"That was a gift from the city counsel for supporting the incumbant counsel members who voted in favor of thier proposal."

I thought the Tracy Press article following that decision stated that they added that second fire truck to that station in lieu of building the cities first new fire station since 1986. Sounds like an intelligent way to get a lot of bang for the tax payer buck to me?

I couldn't agree with you more that the PD per capita ratio just plain sucks. The police blotter is getting very scary.

Voice of Reason you have some great points however I have followed these articles in the Tracy Press and I would hope they have their facts straight.

« Jasper9 wrote on Thursday, Nov 05 at 10:07 AM »
Settle anonymous,

Tracy Firefighters get paid less than Stockton or Alameda County, you learn this trying to get a job at any of them when competing with 1,000 other applicants like I have (you are right in thinking that many apply for a non-medic fire job). The thousand waiting for the job are not as qualified as employees with even two years of time in... no less 20 years of service with 1000s of hours spent training and on calls gaining experience to safely help you (anonymous)the public. You would be lucky out of a thousand to find 40 that qualify, can be in the top 200 of the test to get an interview, pass a physical agility and background check. So the guys out there aren't as replaceable as you may think, most with ten years in at a particular FD never leave, so there's no long line of Captain's candidates that would work for 75% of what you call pay to replace Tracy's firefighters. Are having less qualified individuals come to your house for a dying loved one worth any type of savings? I wouldn't think so. Thus the evolutionn of hiring only paramedics as entry level firefighters as the city does now. Cut pay drastically and our current employees will leave to go somewhere that pays the fair amount for your qualifications.

Anonymous where were you at the council meeting to offer your suggestion in person "I would like to have the Tracy Firefigher's union agree that we can start immediately offering all of their jobs for 75% of what they are making, and we'll fully publish all of your benefits pension" Maciel and the council clearly asked for any suggestions from the public how to get your city out of this situation. Hiding behind the computer anonymously firing away false accusations and ignorant claims will solve nothing.

PD and FD are both public safety, you can't steal from one for the other and expect a safe city.

Although you don't see burned down houses all over (a good thing right?), there are fires in Tracy

http://www.ci.tracy.ca.us/maps/fire/incidents/
« Jasper9 wrote on Thursday, Nov 05 at 10:05 AM »
Settle anonymous,

Tracy Firefighters get paid less than Stockton or Alameda County, you learn this trying to get a job at any of them when competing for a with 1,000 other applicants like I have. The thousand waiting for the job are not as qualified as employees with even two years of time in no less 20 years of service with 1000s of hours spent training and on calls gaining experience to safely help you (anonymous)the public. You would be lucky out of a thousand to find 40 that qualify, can be in the top 200 of the test to get an interview, pass a physical agility and background check. So the guys out there aren't as replaceable as you may think, most with ten years in at a particular FD never leave, so there's no long line of Captain's candidates that would work for 75% of what you call pay to replace Tracy's firefighters. Are having less qualified individuals come to your house for a dying loved one worth any type of savings? I wouldn't think so. Thus the evolutionn of hiring only paramedics as entry level firefighters as the city does now. Cut pay drastically and our current employees will leave to go somewhere that pays the fair amount for your qualifications.

Anonymous where were you at the council meeting to offer your suggestion in person "I would like to have the Tracy Firefigher's union agree that we can start immediately offering all of their jobs for 75% of what they are making, and we'll fully publish all of your benefits pension" Maciel and the council clearly asked for any suggestions from the public how to get your city out of this situation. Hiding behind the computer anonymously firing away false accusations and ignorant claims will solve nothing.

PD and FD are both public safety, you can't steal from one for the other and expect a safe city.

Although you don't see burned down houses all over (a good thing right?), there are fires in Tracy

http://www.ci.tracy.ca.us/maps/fire/incidents/
« ForThePublic wrote on Thursday, Nov 05 at 09:42 AM »
What do you have against the FD? You can get many people to do a firefighters job. Are they the best? Are the close to being qualified? No. Thats why there are thousands of people who wants to become a firefighter but very few actually make it. I am by no way down playing the hard work that our officers do but maybe you should lay off the firefighters. I heard that the police officers in the city of Tracy are paid very well also compared to that of say, Modesto. But again, the ones who you should be mad at are the people who sit at their desk and pretend to know what's going on with this city, The people who have stolen your money and paid themselves.