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Written by Press Editorial Board   
Tuesday, 02 September 2008

Why some people prefer more houses to local jobs is beyond us, but one thing we know is that it’ll take courage and vision to seize the opportunities offered by our airport and community.


Preface: In response to some of the negative comments in regard to Saturday’s editorial, it seems there are those who believe that wanting jobs in our community has a hidden agenda attached to it. There is nothing hidden or new here. Our positions haven’t changed in decades. And our commitment to these issues hasn’t changed in 65 years of Matthews family ownership of the Tracy Press.

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The idea of preserving a transportation asset like the Tracy Municipal Airport for the purpose of developing industry and jobs seems to cause some concern in our community.

For those of you who spend three hours a day in commute traffic between here and San Jose, you’re probably scratching your head at the negative views expressed about bringing jobs to Tracy. You might be asking, why would anybody want you to have to continue such an exhaustive and time-wasting, fuel-wasting regime — just so you can afford a home here.

We wonder, too. Why do some people find your plight acceptable? Why do they become so indignant at the thought of you having a better life, with a job in Tracy?

Before the city heads down the path of marginalizing its airport on South Tracy Boulevard, rendering it incapable of being used to bring industry that would provide local jobs, we should find out exactly what is the cost of losing it. Only then can we gauge the real cost of approving housing development all around the airport.

Meanwhile, let’s focus on the opportunities that exist for Tracy’s airport, the only mid-sized airport in southern San Joaquin County:

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1. General aviation growth

As demand for planes, jet hangars and usage increases in the region, a general aviation airport in Tracy will find more and more uses in the coming years. Tracy is a natural place to capture this growth, as the same spillover effect that drove the housing boom — lack of supply in the Bay Area — will also drive general aviation over the hill.

We can either capture it or let Byron have it. And along with letting the Byron Airport have the business, we will let it have Mountain House’s business, and Lathrop’s, River Island’s and other growing communities.

2. Aircraft manufacturing

Our sales-tax-greedy City Council should love this, so why its members are willing to marginalize it is confusing. Aircraft are high-ticket items. Even the Boyd Group, the city-hired aviation consultant that opposed runway expansion for the airport, said that aviation growth in the future won’t be evolutionary; it will be revolutionary. And a study on strategic alternatives for job growth for the county by AngelouEconomics pointed out the fast-emerging field of aviation, called microjets — or, more commonly, very light jets, or VLJs.

The estimated size of the VLJ market is about 540 per year, which at $1 million to $3 million each makes it a $15 billion-a-year sales market, even a slice of which has huge potential for sales tax revenues, manufacturing jobs and locally owned companies. Is this something we should pass up?

3. Maintenance and educational centers

VLJ aircraft open up two interesting, emerging markets, both for businesses and airports.

As companies grow weary of commercial aviation and airport security time constraints, an affordable alternative is inviting to a large market of small- and medium-sized businesses. More airports can land the VLJ aircraft, because they can use the shorter runways, opening a huge network of about 5,000 airports across the country.

If the city were to expand the land the airport has to the south and east and incrementally provide the maintenance, fueling and hangar requirements, it would have a growth industry on its hands. VLJs could also provide the city with opportunities to work with local high schools and colleges to create job training centers.

4. Avionics

This is a field that encompasses aviation electronics and controls that are put into aircraft as upgrades. It includes things like electronic flight books, weather radar, flight management systems and GPS flight systems. Companies such as Honeywell, Garmin, Trimble Navigation and Rockwell International make these systems.

But they aren’t plug-and-play systems, like sticking a stereo in your car. They require trained and certified installation centers, which could be located at the airport. Salaries for these jobs, by the way, start in the $100,000-and-above-range. Also, demand for these services is growing, and the shortfall in supply of qualified technicians and service centers is clearly evidenced by the 45-day backlog in delivery times.

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The naysayers, of course, will say this is just pie-in-the-sky dreaming. Perhaps, they don’t know about Tracy’s deep history in aviation. Our town was once a consideration for the U.S. Air Force Academy, which eventually located in Colorado. And United Airlines trained its first pilots here. Our location on major transportation corridors, both rail and highway interstate, makes our airport the most desirable location for avionics, VLJs and a whole host of related industries.

Big things, wonderful things, can happen in our community. But it takes planning, foresight and courage — something we’d like to see from our city leaders.

One thing is obvious: The city should be making this case, but it’s not.

The rooftop disciples are always asking, "Why should we do that when we could be building houses?"

To paraphrase George Bernard Shaw: Instead of listening and pandering to those who would ask "Why?" we should be brave enough to ask, "Why not?"

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written by Steve Reshakis , September 03, 2008
The estimated size of the VLJ market is about 540 per year, which at $1 million to $3 million each

What a Crock. How many people in Tracy Own VLJs??? One? this will not bring jobs to tracy. all your examples are exactly "Pie In The Sky" Livermore Airport has been there for 40 Years and in all that time generated 100-200 Jobs in 40 Years.!!!!!
Tracy Home Construction makes Middle-class JOBS NOW!!!!!

The Tracy Press is pushing a Leftist Elitist Agenda, no wonder No one in Tracy buys your paper!
I DEMAND a LIST of Tracy Citizens who Own VLJs.!!!!
YOU are LIARS.
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written by Dale Cose , September 03, 2008

The editorial today leans ever-so-slightly towards the rational... at least compared to Saturday.

you’re probably scratching your head at the negative views expressed about bringing jobs to Tracy.


I'm still scratching my head over your last Voice and today's comment about reader opposition to jobs. I missed that.

The rooftop disciples are always asking, "Why should we do that when we could be building houses?"


Again, I missed that. Provide some, or at least one, example of the rooftop disciples asking any version of the question you quote.
Commercial, Industrial, Residential properties have different needs and are used for different purposes.

2. Aircraft manufacturing
Our sales-tax-greedy City Council should love this, so why its members are willing to marginalize it is confusing.


You have become those posters who consistently subject us to hyperbole.
Which sales-tax-greedy members of the council oppose an aircraft manufacturing facility?

Even the Boyd Group, the city-hired aviation consultant that opposed runway expansion for the airport...


Airport expansion? Yes.
If the jet market you tout needs a 2,500 foot runway to takeoff and land why discuss runway expansion? Granite Construction flew their Cessna 500SP (jet) into Tracy.

Which naysayer is opposed to jobs in Tracy?

Jobs in our community: does that mean dad Matthews was in error about the building purchased in Patterson and that it would not have received the printing operation located in Tracy for 65 years?

The jobs disciples are always saying...
no to homes, we want jobs... without a care as to what the people bringing the jobs want.
and, will the employees be living in Tracy?
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written by what? , September 03, 2008
We have 3.1 million commuters on the road 90 minutes or more a day.(Stockton Record).I would agree it is time to provide local, paying jobs! The numbers are there.
Is the leadership?
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written by SteveH , September 03, 2008
Wow, I'm just amazed at the nay-sayers and the lack of “possibility thinking” that goes on here. Demand a list of the VLJ owners? Wow! More importantly, how ’bout a list of the companies that own VLJ’s that can’t land in Tracy and that can’t or won’t consider expanding here because of inaccessibility? I’ve been in a few of those aircraft. We even at least one company in Tracy that owns or leases them but can’t fly here.

Dale, I think you might be one of those negative, inside the box thinking people by way of your comments to my note in Saturday’s “Voice” - which by the way, I take responsibility for. Do not point a finger in the direction of the TP for that. They only put it print. If you’d like to accuse me of something, you can accuse me of other than narrow-mindedness.

Gee, it would make sense that these employees will be living in Tracy. Maybe some of them already are but are currently commuting to Mountain View.

C’mon guys, expand your vision!! Where do you want to see Tracy in 20 years?

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written by Tracy RealNews , September 03, 2008

These editorials from the Tracy Press don't surprise me anymore, given that Connolly's name is on the front of the newspaper.

I think they should move the heading, "Tracy Press" to the bottom of the page, and move advertising from Connolly to the top of the paper?

Tracy Press:

Put it right up there:



"Connolly's and Garamendi's Press" (top)

Supporting paid advertisers for Mayor???
(content)

The Tracy Press (bottom)


What is the cost, to the city, of maintaining an airport that very few people in Tracy will ever use?

I have a better idea:

Have Garamendi pay for her own airport - out at Garamendi's Elk Hunting Wildlife Preserve. That will save the taxpayers a ton of money?

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written by SteveH , September 03, 2008
And by the way, the only one I’ve not been accused of supporting in this election is Sadam Hussein. I have to take offense to that. At no time did I say we had a candidate worthy of my vote.

I think we all need to know a bit more about our proposed elected officials, and they of their constituents. What I do know is that I’ve been here for a little over 10 years and have seen a “direction”. Not an entirely bad one, mind you, but one that needs to emerge from the tunnel once in a while and take in the view.

By the way, that company with the VLJ that I was referring to was NOT involved in the construction business.
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written by SteveH , September 03, 2008
Apparently TRN has not researched the issue. Now, go research the issue, and come back with something credible. Expansion of the airport in Richard Ortenheim's directon would likely bring jobs and income to our beloved berg.
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written by Dale Cose , September 03, 2008

written by Dale Cose , August 31, 2008
Putting a restaurant at the airport gives another choice...


written by Dale Cose , September 03, 2008
Airport expansion? Yes.


written by SteveH , September 03, 2008
Dale, I think you might be one of those negative, inside the box thinking people by way of your comments to my note in Saturday’s “Voice” - which by the way, I take responsibility for.


Could you paste your Saturday “Voice” note here? Getting old... I may have missed it.

My comments about the Press editorial as free political advertising has to do with their support of Ms. Garamendi's campaign by making the airport an undiscovered jewel during her political meeting while being a little cared about jewel B.C. (Before Campaign)

Your letter...

Written by Steve Hunger, Friday, 29 August 2008

We don’t need homes there; we need a corporate office center.


Someone other than you say anything about homes at the airport? Not a bad idea... condos, a hotel

We don’t need to close our airport — we need to expand it, inviting air traffic...
You, me, and having the final say, the FAA... we still agree.

People could actually fly here on their way to Manteca!

Stockton Airport to S Main St/120 Manteca about 14 minutes
Tracy Airport to S Main/120, Manteca about 24 minutes

Where do you want to see Tracy in 20 years?


A population of about 150,000 with numerous lifestyle choices...
employment, home, entertainment, and dining,
instead of too few new resident's incomes unable to support the them.
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written by what? , September 03, 2008
Steve H,

This blogg has an a few crypt keepers for Brent Ives, Dave, Dale and TRN. They will defend any and all of the agenda for Brent. If the point of view is negative towards the Surland/Serpa development. They are all over it!

Politcal agenda at city hall is to promote Surland. More houses are the game plan. To expand the current glut of homes in Tracy is of the utmost importance of our current leaders.

The Airport is considered a nuisance at the city level. This topic is a thorn in the side of Ives. City hall is not supporting any improvements or expansion of the airport. Serpa is the only project that city hall is behind 100%. Narrow and short sighted on the part of our civic employees and elected leaders? YES..

Do they care? NO!

Will Brent Ives choir boys(TRN,Dave, Dale) be all over my comments? YES
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written by Dale Cose , September 03, 2008

written by SteveH , September 03, 2008
And by the way, the only one I’ve not been accused of supporting in this election is Sadam Hussein.
I have to take offense to that.


Ah ha... You are supporting Mighty Mouse this time...
Underdog and the others will be so disappointed.

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written by what? , September 03, 2008
Steve H,

I am also a non supporter of any political person running for the November election. You will find your comments will fall on deaf ears for TRN, Dave and Dale. If your not with them, you are against them and the arch enemy for all three is C. Garamendi!
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written by Dale Cose , September 03, 2008

written by what? , September 03, 2008
Steve H,

This blogg has an a few crypt keepers for Brent Ives, Dave, Dale and TRN. They will defend any and all of the agenda for Brent. If the point of view is negative towards the Surland/Serpa development. They are all over it!

Politcal agenda at city hall is to promote Surland. More houses are the game plan. To expand the current glut of homes in Tracy is of the utmost importance of (to) our current leaders.


How can Surland build without financial backing in the toughest housing market most people have ever seen?

If Ellis is approved, fine.
If Ellis is not approved, fine.

The Airport is considered a nuisance at the city level.


The city has invested time and money in the airport over the years...
why is it now considered a nuisance by them?
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written by Steve Reshakis , September 03, 2008
Does Celeste Garamendi?Connoly own a Big Jet?
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written by Dale Cose , September 03, 2008

written by SteveH , September 03, 2008
... We even at least one company in Tracy that owns or leases them but can’t fly here.


What VLJ is it?



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written by SteveH , September 03, 2008
They're one of the fresh veggie folks that currently use the Salinas and Monterey airports. I'm s'posed to know the model of the aircraft?

Jeeze, you people are small minded. Dale, i almost had a little respect for you until the Mighty Mouse thing. Nice touch. Whose pockets y'all in?

For the record, 150,000 folks ain't a bad idea, but it's gonna take getting some jobs in here or 205/580's gonna be a son of a gun no matter how many lanes they put in. children will never see their parents and the only industry we'll have here is day care.
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written by what? , September 03, 2008
Day care and coffee shops for the old geezers to sit around and blog for Ives!
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written by Dave Hardesty , September 03, 2008
Or for their favorite candidate.
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written by Tracy RealNews , September 03, 2008
Steve H.

I don't know where you got your information? I asked you a question and you answer by saying go research the issue. I don't think you (or Garamendi) have a solid plan, here. Otherwise you would have been able to answer the questions.


written by SteveH , September 03, 2008
Apparently TRN has not researched the issue. Now, go research the issue, and come back with something credible. Expansion of the airport in Richard Ortenheim's directon would likely bring jobs and income to our beloved berg.


I provided the links to Garamendi's Wildlife-Hunting-Preserve in another article. They hunt elk there. It is located southeast of Tracy, CA.

Land the Very Large Jets there. Let the hunters pay for it.

Why would you want to encroach on homes. Does Garamendi have a plan to sieze property for the green belt?

I don't thing there is really any plan. It is a pipe dream.

Don't "waste any money" on research. I could have told her that from the beginning.

Cheers!

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written by what? , September 03, 2008
The city hall spends the bare minimum and provides minimal maintenance on the airport. Just enough to qualify federal funding from the government.



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written by SteveH , September 03, 2008
I've not expressed support for any candidate and in fact voted Ives in the last election. That'll be the last time. Now I'm very sorry I did that given the type of people that identify with him.

TRN - wow, you need a job, or at the least a hobby. The Stockton paper also did a nice article on Richard Ortenheim and his plans and the scope of his proposed improvements. the impact to our community was als discussed. And you think this is just to service a hunting thing? I'm amazed!

Steve - You're a teacher, right? Do you teach narrow-mindedness or to you encourage your students to think outside the box?
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written by Tracy RealNews , September 03, 2008
Great!

Leave it alone if it pays for itself!

In fact - there are two airports!

If they can turn a profit - then let them improve the other one.

Otherwise, don't take the risk with a plan that isn't there.
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written by Tracy RealNews , September 03, 2008
Steve,

Why are you amazed? There is no green belt. Garamendi will have to condemn homes and sieze property to create a green belt. One person told me of a better plan. They thought of purchasing a home near the ACE train station and sell their car. Now the plans are ruined!

There is another airport. If Garamendi had any plan she would have told us why she can't use the other airport. I still think this will benefit Garamendi's Elk Hunting Wildlife Preserve. Isn't it just five minutes down the road? On Tesla? The hunters can build an airport there. And we haven't heard from Garamendi why that's not possible to use the other airport, or just build one at her ranch.

Are you still amazed?

Now you know how the rest of the city feels!

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written by Tracy RealNews , September 03, 2008
Steve H.

It's no reflection on you. You may even have a great plan. But given that TRAQC record...

It's like Garamendi always says.

"Waste of money"

???

But don't worry, I have a better plan.

In November, the voters will probably push through the term limits.

After that we can find someone else besided Garamendi to run.

Let them do the "airport thingy/plan" that Garamendi proposed blocked Serpa with.

I'm much more comfortable with that plan.

Hope you are too.

Cheers!

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written by what? , September 03, 2008
TRN,

Dont speak for the rest of Tracy. You do not represent the majority of the people.(Only in your mind) Ther is no WE...
Only a singular you!

Steve H and the TPress has valid and factual points. You have only vague and disconnected rants - This is about the VALUE of our city airport. Stick to the story. Campaign somewhere else!
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written by Tracy RealNews , September 03, 2008
What campaign are you talking about? You are attempting to prove a point with vauge accusations against me. You really have nothing to say, here.

I will wait for Steve H. instead.

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written by SteveH , September 03, 2008
Keep waiting. I’m done. No time for "sheep". I have no problem debating an issue, but prefer to do so with intelligent people who can present an unbiased, non-partisan position based on a logical, self generated, thorough, thought process. The kind of folks that can offer constructive conversation and/or alternative planning or provide a valid reason why we should maintain the status quo.

Apparently there are those who are proud of the wages our expansion in retail jobs is bringing to town. Are those the same ones that oppose low-income housing, yet endorse the expansion of Wal-Mart? Gosh forbid we should investigate or pursue anything that might upset our sedentary Applecart of Mediocrity and see progress happen around us that could/should have been Tracy. Anything. We'll talk about sports complexes and water parks until we're blue in the face. Just talk. How long did it take West to get their Stadium? When we came to Tracy, we were promised that our son would graduate in West's stadium. He graduated in 2001. Sure, that may not have been a city issue, but it's a fine example of how we work.
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written by SteveH , September 03, 2008
And I'm beginning to understand.
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written by Dale Cose , September 03, 2008

written by SteveH , September 03, 2008
... By the way, that company with the VLJ that I was referring to...


written by SteveH , September 03, 2008
... I'm s'posed to know the model of the aircraft?


VLJ- Very Light Jet, a new jet aircraft category with approved single pilot operation
able to use shorter runways.

Tracy-
Runway 8/26 4,005 foot
Runway 12/30 4,001 foot

Beech Baron type: ARC B-I (small)
Beech King Air B200 type: ARC B-I (small) –– All Small Aircraft
Very Light Jet

You're thinking a 5,000 foot long to carry:
Cessna Citation Encore type: ARC B-II –– Basic Accommodation of Business Jets
or
a 6,000 plus foot long to handle:
Hawker 800XP type: ARC C-II –– Enhanced Accommodation of Business Jets

... Dale, i almost had a little respect for you until the Mighty Mouse thing...


... I apologize for using humor and hope Santa some entity brings you more epidermis for Christmas some event of note.

Whose pockets y'all in? According to Tom and my2cents... Ives', Tolbert's, liberal's, conservative's, the poor, Hardesty's, Bob Blinker's, MacolmRex's City of Tracy, San Joaquin County's, the Fed
generally everyone's

For the record, 150,000 folks ain't a bad idea, but it's gonna take getting some jobs in here..
children will never see their parents and the only industry we'll have here is day care.


Which is more important:
Jobs supporting housing?
Housing supporting jobs?

They are of equal importance, without both, you can look forward to a continued commute

Denigrating housing will not bring employers. It is a symbiotic relationship.

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written by Tracy RealNews , September 03, 2008
Steve H.

I'm an Independant. And you should realize that partisan politics are more at the federal and state level. Council members are not running as Democrats and Republicans. Although this is a "blue state"...

Anyway, are you saying that you won't debate unintelligent people? Because it sounds like you could easily win the debate. But I understand that you may be above all that? Perhaps you are concerned about something more deeper and complex - like feelings of losing a debate, in public. Many people have a fear of public speaking, when it comes to that. I understand, but I wouldn't try to manipulate the conversation. Just talking - that's all. Just go ahead and try to explain why the airport would benefit Tracy. People have already asked and so far we haven't seen intelligence as bright, as yours, on here.

Hope you can change all that! Perhaps you could do it without the insults and show others your intelligence?

Thanks!

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written by Dale Cose , September 03, 2008

written by SteveH , September 03, 2008
And I'm beginning to understand.


Doubtful.
You wrote a letter based upon the things you see as beneficial.

I laughed at the Steve Hunger info line.

The positive... your view of the world is brighter than that of the Tracy Press Editorial Staff, what?, Tom Benigno, Malcomn...


When discussing projects today, there is more to a light jet, a corporate center, extending a sewer line, eating dinner in a 747 fuselage...

What type of business jet needs a runway how long costing how much to be improved over what period of time impacting who and what... is one.

The answers to the questions are difficult. I do this as a business and they're still difficult.
The Press tying an airport use expansion to Celeste's campaign run doesn't make it easier.

Gosh forbid we should investigate or pursue anything that might upset our sedentary Applecart of Mediocrity and see progress happen around us that could/should have been Tracy.

that may not have been a city issue, but it's a fine example of how we work.


My point of view.
After spending 3 months getting loans, permits, organizing subs, starting construction, inspections, a day to 2 laying out walls and framing the same... no comment.
2 hours to stand the walls and most passing by say,
I can't believe how much work you guys did today.

Things move forward... slowly.

and if it's okay, I'd like to use the line upset the Apple Cart of Mediocrity.



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written by fortheunderdog , September 04, 2008

TRN, Cose, and Dave are all Ives, city hall supporters. They all jump down the throats of anyone who says anything negative about city hall or their wrongdoings.

TRN cannot stay on track. He'll change subjects in mid-sentence. He always has to throw in "Garamendi" somewhere in his comment and make you appear to be a supporter. He'll ask you to show proof and when you do he doesn't acknowledge it. He will praise any other commenter who has the same stance as him.

Cose is the same way. Wants the homes because he's a slu....landlord who rents his sh....shacks out. He's been in the Press before but it was a article that he would rather not talk about. So here he is, taking sides with TRN. These people seem to think that nobody living in Tracy should criticize city hall or, more commonly known as Ives.

Dave on the other hand is more diplomatic in his approach to heap praise on city hall. He's probably one of the most civil writing people here. He's caught me more that a few times with my hair raised at other commentors.

They don't seem to understand that there are many residents of Tracy who are in disagreement with the way city hall is running this town.

It's my opinion that Ives and his city hall stooges are ruining Tracy. That's my opinion and I'm going to stick with it.
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written by fortheunderdog , September 04, 2008
"written by Dale Cose , September 03, 2008


written by SteveH , September 03, 2008
And by the way, the only one I’ve not been accused of supporting in this election is Sadam Hussein.
I have to take offense to that.


Ah ha... You are supporting Mighty Mouse this time...
Underdog and the others will be so disappointed."

If another commentor got under your skin, Dale, I will not be disappointed.

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written by Dale Cose , September 04, 2008

written by fortheunderdog , September 03, 2008

Cose is the same way. Wants the homes because he's a slu....landlord who rents his sh....shacks out. He's been in the Press before but it was a article that he would rather not talk about. So here he is, taking sides with TRN. These people seem to think that nobody living in Tracy should criticize city hall or, more commonly known as Ives.


Regarding your designation of slum lord, go ahead. It's your accusation, it's still your turn, please continue.

Criticize Ives, the Council, staff, City Hall to your hearts content. Seems it's only a one-way street.
Why is that?

They all jump down the throats of anyone who says anything negative about city hall or their wrongdoings.


providing documentation when requested is a constant issue with your pack.

'I don't like the fill in blank . The City should have fill in blank .

That you wish any negative thing you post will be taken as gospel is clear. You intensely dislike when you are disabused of the petty undocumented notions that you post on the webpages.

The issues are of great importance to you, you want change... but without having to defend your position from the safety of anonymity.

written by fortheunderdog , September 03, 2008

If another commentor got under your skin, Dale, I will not be disappointed.


by your inspirational tone may I assume a Christmas card will not be forthcoming again?


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written by what? , September 04, 2008
City hall stooges.. Good one! What is the vision of the Stooges? Since the stooges are the ones in control. Have a reporter get the official city hall spin on what they have planned for the airport since they will soon be building homes under the flight path. Will the city hire another 30,000.00 consultant to give them some answers on development under air traffic. Is this the brain child of Andrew Malik, Bill Dean, Brent Ives and Serpa?
The next big project...
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written by Observer , September 04, 2008
Is the City of Tracy in any position to set up bids to attract manufacturing sect in producing alternative energy parts, solar, thermal, wind, current and so on.... set up the company here in Tracy, that would hire LOT MORE PEOPLE for MANY YEARS? Better hurry, before other states grab up this opportunity?

Good luck.
-amy
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written by Observer , September 04, 2008
After all Tracy wants to "think Green"?

-amy
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written by Observer , September 04, 2008
To make "good" use of the "branding" "Growth" begins inside the Triangle? Put the "branding" to work after the $25,000 fee!

Go Green! Green employment for greener living in alternative energy? That would go hand in hand with Green Village Living? Hope so!

-amy
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written by Dale Cose , September 04, 2008

written by what? , September 04, 2008
City hall stooges.. Good one! What is the vision of the Stooges?


One stooge's vision for the reading comprehension impaired:

written by Dale Cose , August 31, 2008
Putting a restaurant at the airport gives another choice...


written by Dale Cose , September 03, 2008
Airport expansion? Yes.



written by SteveH , September 03, 2008
... Where do you want to see Tracy in 20 years?


written by Dale Cose , September 03, 2008

A population of about 150,000 with numerous lifestyle choices...
employment, home, entertainment, and dining,
instead of too few new resident's incomes unable to support the them.


Leading the most recalcitrant horse's petute to water but unable to help him slake his thirst.
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written by Observer , September 04, 2008
Also get bids out to manufacturing sect to have companies set up to produce parts for hybrid cars, trucks, buses, school buses, firetrucks, ambulances, police cars, motorcyclesmilies/wink.gif so on...??? Lots of opportunities, get those bids out there and bring jobs here? That will get lots of Tracyites employed??

-amy
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written by what? , September 04, 2008
Dale,

One of the Stooges? I always knew this but good to have you confirm your status. What are the plans of the other stooges(Malik, Dean, Churchill, Ives) since you have a select group of idiots you belong to..
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written by Dale Cose , September 04, 2008

written by what? , September 04, 2008
Dale,

One of the Stooges? I always knew this but good to have you confirm your status. What are the plans of the other stooges(Malik, Dean, Churchill, Ives) since you have a select group of idiots you belong to..


Bravo, sir robin (cue the music),

stooges to now a select group of idiots

... answered your question,

that you chose to ignore or fail to respond to the vision part of mine is heavy with precedent.

I will be waiting til' pigs fly, hell freezes over etc. to have mine responded to...
though I do apologize for the fact they require more thought... than you have available.

signed, driving what?my2cents every-which-way
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written by Steve Reshakis , September 04, 2008
You say..written by what? , September 03, 2008
Day care and coffee shops for the old geezers to sit around and blog for Ives!

We know who sits around Coffee shops dont we?
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written by Steve Reshakis , September 04, 2008
You know? we need to force Bloggers to Post their real names, and a Photo.

then all this petty sniping would stop and we could get constructive debate.
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written by fortheunderdog , September 04, 2008
There's no such thing as "constructive debate" as long as you have those who can't see the forest for the trees. I'm talking about TRN, Dale, and occasionally Dave although there are some points of his that make sense to me.

Constructive debate should be attended by city hall too. The only thing is, they hear us but they don't listen. I've attended council meetings only to see some speakers ignored by city council. They're kind of like kids. If I shut my eyes I can't hear you. Our city hall has their own agenda and they don't appear to want, or need, any feedback from the public.

I think city council should begin each public meeting with this:

www.televisiontunes.com/3_Stooges.html

It only makes sense.
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written by fortheunderdog , September 04, 2008
Another thing about the comment from Steve Reshakis. How do we know that you're actually Steve Reshakis? You could be TRN, Dale Cose or even Ives himself for all I know.
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written by what? , September 04, 2008
I think Steve Reshakis is TRN(Skippy). Or the paid public representative from city hall..
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written by Dale Cose , September 04, 2008

High marks.

written by fortheunderdog , September 04, 2008
... Constructive debate should be attended by city hall too.


You made a valid point.

The only thing is, they hear us but they don't listen.


You're losing me without providing an example:
is the issue emotionally charged?
has the speaker previously covered the same ground?
was the concern ignored without discussion?
was it a valid concern?
was it presented without derogatory adjectives?
did the vote go against the speaker's concern?

I've attended council meetings only to see some speakers ignored by city council.


Which is why some of us only watch the council meetings on channel 26.
Everyone is entitled to speak, some continue long past their point.

This constitutes constructive debate...
I think city council should begin each public meeting with this:
www.televisiontunes.com/3_Stooges.html


Your post:
typical start, good middle, typical finish


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written by Dale Cose , September 04, 2008

written by fortheunderdog , September 04, 2008
Another thing about the comment from Steve Reshakis. How do we know that you're actually Steve Reshakis? You could be TRN, Dale Cose or even Ives himself for all I know.


Can't speak for the other but unlike you I use my name.

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written by fortheunderdog , September 04, 2008

Dale Cose, (if you really are Dale Cose)

Dealing with you and the rest is like dealing with city hall and Ives. Sometimes you just have to ignore what some people say.
It is mind over matter. I don't mind, because you don't matter.







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written by Dale Cose , September 04, 2008

If we were to look in the phone book I'll bet there is more chance of finding a listing for me than
fortheunderdog

written by fortheunderdog , September 04, 2008

... It is mind over matter. I don't mind, because you don't matter.


If comments didn't matter, you wouldn't continue to get irritated.

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written by fortheunderdog , September 04, 2008

Oh contrare my little friend. I'm not irritated. Like I said before, I have never had the chance to spar with you. I find this kind of verbal judo quite pleasant until I reprimanded my son for mimicking you. I told him not to act like a fool.


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written by Dale Cose , September 04, 2008

If I understand your words correctly...
it is okay for you and I to act like fools, just not in front of your son?

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written by Tracy RealNews , September 05, 2008
Sounds like a double standard?
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written by fortheunderdog , September 05, 2008

That's a good one Dale. Now that is what I call a good comeback.

It's ok for us to act like fools. We've earned that right. I've always been told never to enter a battle of wits unarmed. But I can see you're not yourself today, I've noticed an improvement in your comments.

Anyway, have a good night.




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written by Dale Cose , September 05, 2008

You too.
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written by SteveH , September 05, 2008
Sorry boys, long day and I’ve got to work for a living so I don’t have time to go through all the rhetoric, but a couple comments:

TRN – Thanks for the kind words, but I’ll never claim to be the brightest bulb in the room, I just like to know where the switch is.

Dale – Thanks for the lesson on avionics. It seems we’re agreed on the issue of needing an airport expansion; we’re just not reaching far enough and should expand to accommodate larger aircraft. Did you say 6000’?

Brings to mind the recent road work on 101 south of San Jose. They had originally planned to add 1 lane, bringing it to a total of three. Someone mentioned that adding a fourth now wouldn’t cost much more that the original project and alleviate the need to add another in 10-years. Consequently, there is a beautiful stretch of highway between San Jose and Morgan Hill with relatively little congestion at rush hour.

Foresight! Now We’re Talking!!!

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written by Dale Cose , September 05, 2008

written by SteveH , September 05, 2008
... Dale – Thanks for the lesson on avionics.

Jet accommodation.
It seems we’re agreed on the issue of needing an airport expansion

Yes
we’re just not reaching far enough and should expand to accommodate larger aircraft. Did you say 6000’?


Define the issues/desire/type of traffic first, then potential solutions.

Adding 2,000 of runway necessitates:
-adding overruns runs to at least one runway end for safety
-partially filling in the gravel pits at one end of one runway
-or the realignment of Corral Hollow at two others
-or both
-the purchase of existing industrial block mfg. plant
-gravel pit purchase.
-runway widths would most likely increase because of the type of traffic desired.
-will the improvements cover one, two, three, or four runways?
-will the approach and departure navigation systems be upgraded to accommodate jet traffic during inclimateweather?

How far will the potential jet traffic increase and new airport patrons go towards mitigating some of the costs?

The airport use argument by the Press does not cover these issues, it talks about expansion with a slam on housing needed by an airport expansion to make use of it...
and a followup editorial discussing a bogus jobs argument.


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written by SteveH , September 05, 2008
Dale – Seems we're finally on to something. Rather than to offer reasons why it shouldn’t be done, like: It doesn’t fit into Ives plans. Or, Garamendi might benefit. Or, we’ve already talked about that. Or, it doesn’t support housing. Or, they didn’t go over that in school. Or any of the other silly banter that’s gone on here; we’re discussing hurdles that can be addressed one by one with a little creative thinking. That’s how things get done.
Obviously we’re not going to solve these issues on these pages, and the current city council is certainly not creative enough to “Think Outside the Triangle” (their slogan, not mine). Maybe the problem is in the planning department, who knows?
The point is, if we build housing around the airport without planning for expanded airport use now or down the road, it’s s done deal and our airport is our airport for generations to come. Even on a good day, that’s not a good thing.
BTW, while I’m not a particular fan of Garamendi, should we fault someone for being entrepreneurial? I coached kids sports for many years, ending with a career winning percentage in excess of .750, despite the fact I had a new batch of players every year through the draft process. My philosophy is simple: “Maximum utilization of available resources”. Evaluate your talent, evaluate your assets, organize it, make it work. That’s apparently what Connelly has done with the ranch and what Ortenheim intends to do with the airport. We should be supporting these efforts, as it supports our community.

The city administration apparently feels they have one thing to sell: land and housing. We’ve done that. It’s time we take advantage of what we have and sell Tracy, or at least work hard to make it marketable.

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written by Dale Cose , September 05, 2008

written by SteveH , September 05, 2008
... The city administration apparently feels they have one thing to sell: land and housing. We’ve done that. It’s time we take advantage of what we have and sell Tracy, or at least work hard to make it marketable.


Your outlook and/or source of information regarding housing's part in life is poor at best.
Use
“Maximum utilization of available resources”
you described earlier to make a more concerted effort to bring forth your vision.

We already build houses near airports throughout the world, whether it's occupied as a hotel room, base housing for military, standard residential etc.

None of your vision will be forthcoming without local residents.
Few new residents will be coming without more housing opportunities.
As existing residents we already play our various parts.
New business comes with the expectation of opportunities.
The more you limit the opportunities in one area the more you limit the opportunities in all areas.

Throughout history housing has always been constructed along navigable routes before anything else. Then the jobs... builders, vendors, merchants, entertainment... Nothing new but why is that?

Basic... food, clothing, shelter

Figure out how to make it work together without excluding a necessity.
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written by what? , September 05, 2008
Bravo Steve!

The mindset and the mantra at city hall has been the same for 20yrs! Pander to the developer with the most money! This has been the ELECTED LEADERS, achilles heal and they are taking us down with them.

City Hall new scheme is to provide a platform for Serpa to use all of the future city building permits a county project. The fact that it sits under an existing flight path seems to be irrelevant.
Plans to minimize and restrict future use at the airport is a very real prospect. Serpa/Surland is the number one priority at the city hall and with current leaders. Once this land is annexed to the city you can kiss any expansion of the airport goodbye!
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written by Dale Cose , September 05, 2008

written by SteveH , September 05, 2008
... while I’m not a particular fan of Garamendi, should we fault someone for being entrepreneurial?


I was truly unaware of that. Please give an example.

written by what? , September 05, 2008
... City Hall new scheme is to provide a platform for Serpa to use all of the future city building permits a county project.


What do you offer in support of your comment?

Who at the county did you talk to?

Why would Serpa be given 1st permit priority when the City said downtown and infill would be 1st priority?

Plans to minimize and restrict future use at the airport is a very real prospect.


What do you offer in support of your comment?

Who at the FAA did you talk to?

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written by fortheunderdog , September 05, 2008
What we as residents must do is to not think of this as an Ives vs. Garamendi year in politics. This is our city, not theirs. Whoever is elected this November was elected by Tracy voters. City government works for US, not the other way around. The residents should dictate the fate of Tracy, whether that be housing, airport expansion, water park, college, etc. We, as residents, cannot let city hall get to the point where we have no say.

For the record, and I've said this before, I'm not a slow growth advocate, I advocate sensible growth. If this means building more homes when it's needed or slowing down on building then that's the routes we take. I do not condone separate talks with developers concerning "deals" for the city. I like the idea of transparency withing our city gov't. I like the idea of having retail open up business in this city. I like these ideas of making this a better city for its adult residents and their children. I like the idea of sprucing up our downtown so everyone can enjoy it and shop there. I would like to see more modes of transportation within this city that is affordable to seniors or those on fixed incomes.

Tracy can become a model city but city government cannot go off with their own ideas without listening to input from the residents. Our city government needs leaders who will lead, not just take the horse by its reins and go their foolish way.

Damn, sounds like a commercial, doesn't it? smilies/wink.gif
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written by what? , September 05, 2008
Dale,

Why indeed.. Ask your man Ives. He can answer all of your questions. He is after all the ring leader!
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written by Dale Cose , September 05, 2008

Ives doesn't make the profound statements you do.
Why would you look to him to clarify your position?

Extending your logic...
by moving your head to the side, a proctologist could discern... it's dark
though we'd still be left wondering about your refusal to substantiate your comments.


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written by Observer , September 05, 2008
Amen to this!!!

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written by fortheunderdog , September 05, 2008
What we as residents must do is to not think of this as an Ives vs. Garamendi year in politics. This is our city, not theirs. Whoever is elected this November was elected by Tracy voters. City government works for US, not the other way around. The residents should dictate the fate of Tracy, whether that be housing, airport expansion, water park, college, etc. We, as residents, cannot let city hall get to the point where we have no say.


Also, we should have at least one unbaised newspaper in town. Free from political influence, special interest influence and address only the issues of Tracy, news of Tracy, full and accurant account of every city council meetings and so on.

TP "seems" to put lot of favorism for the other camp rather than adopting this attitude that fortheunderdog and others have.

I am for smart and responsible growth. No to sprawl, no to stoppage. Live within the Tracyites' means for now?

Just my observing opinion. Thanks.
-amy

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written by Tracy RealNews , September 05, 2008
I don't think the Tracy Press will be free of political bias anytime soon - now that Garamendi's spouse has paid to print his name across the front of the newspaper. I really think that the Tracy Press is paid - advertisement for Connolly (at the bottom of the front page). Pick up a copy at the store today and check it out. Better yet, borrow your neighbors and save the money.

This antic is leaving some Tracy residents wondering if we will ever get unbiased news journalism, from our local newspaper?

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written by Observer , September 05, 2008
I noticed how their writings don't really cover the candidate's "plans", of how to make things happen.. visions are nice, dreams are nice, but it takes work to make it a reality.

Where are the plans that will show the "visions" of any candidate having the chance of becoming a "reality".

Just like saying, I will like a pretty dress.... plans.. make it? or shop for one?, how much?... how much material, how much time will go into making the dress...to see if it is worth the time to make it as opposed to shopping for one....

for lack of better words on necessity in seeing "plans with the visions". Supporters of Garamendi camp are not able to provide them, either?

Just vote on pretty visions? Nah, if I were voting, I would vote on basis of "plans" and the "cost expense" involved, plus revenue and benefits to Tracyites.

me,... in reality.. I just get the dress (if needed) on sale since I value my time much more. smilies/wink.gif

-amy
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written by Steve Reshakis , September 05, 2008
What? says...
I think Steve Reshakis is TRN(Skippy). Or the paid public representative from city hall..

Thats your problem....You Think...thats when you start not making sense.
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written by Tracy RealNews , September 05, 2008
To "what?" :

(donde preguntas):

Your post got me thinking. Since we know my name is Skippy, We know Dave's name is Dave. We know Dale's name is Dale. We know Steve's name is Steve. We know Amy's name is Amy.

How do we know that you are not a fictious creation from the Tracy Press editors?

Since they are "paid" (as you alleged) - some think so.

Stop the silliness - your starting to make us laugh.

But, not with you.

smilies/wink.gif

Just wanking back at ya.
(please don't take is so hard)
smilies/wink.gif

Cheers!

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written by fortheunderdog , September 06, 2008
Shame on those who talk about proctology when the topic is political. I think it's time you grasp your ears firmly and remove your head from your a$$.

Hey, just kidding Dale. You know how I like insulting people. But don't thank me, it was my pleasure.

smilies/wink.gif Be talking to you again soon.

BTW...My name is Forthe U. Nderdog. I'm originally from the Netherland's and recently relocated to Tracy, CA via Cal Berkeley. I know how everyone is talking about commentors not revealing their real names so I thought it would be best if I revealed mine.
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written by Dale Cose , September 06, 2008

written by fortheunderdog , September 05, 2008
Shame on those who talk about proctology when the topic is political. I think it's time you grasp your ears firmly and remove your head from your a$$.

Hey, just kidding Dale. You know how I like insulting people.


That statement is beautiful,
making one mightier than thou proclamation, follow it laying a down a good snark, and then wiping it up with "Hey, just kidding Dale..." covering all bases.

and I retort with an observation regarding fortheunderdog

dismissing irony... rail against something while engaging in it.

More 'to the point' political discussion...

written by fortheunderdog , September 03, 2008
Cose is the same way. Wants the homes because he's a slu....landlord who rents his sh....shacks