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Written by Jennifer Wadsworth   
Saturday, 23 August 2008

 

Two local churches make the effort to feed hot meals to Tracy homeless, but with a slumping economy and without a dedicated community soup kitchen, the lines are rapidly growing.


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Willie Nelson (left) and Michael Skaggs, part of the community targeted by the Snodderlys, talk during their dinner at the Center of Hope Church on Holly Drive. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
Eugene and Carol Snodderly are poor.

Their aim in life: Feed the poorer.

Every Monday night for about six weeks now, the weathered middle-aged couple — who without help from a friend would be homeless themselves — serve up hot meals to Tracy’s homeless.

Lately, the dinners have brought crowds of about 100. When it started, only a handful showed up.

Soup-kitchen charities appear to be on the upswing, longtime volunteers at a several local nonprofits point out. Partly because of an ailing economy, some surmise, and partly because the closest shelters and kitchens for the chronically houseless sit more than 20 miles north in Stockton.

Secular or inter-denominational groups run food cabinets or clothing charities in Tracy, but the only hot-meal charities in town are run by religious groups as part of their regular outreach.

In the absence of secular charitable kitchens in Tracy, church volunteers have tried to fill the void.

Though only two regular hot-meal dinners take place regularly in town, as far as many people know, that’s still twice what Tracy’s down-and-out had as recently as two months ago.

Before then, it was on a paltry group of Center of Hope Church volunteers to dish out free food every Wednesday night.

The dinners attract a core group of local homeless.

Regulars at both include a U.S. Army veteran and several disabled guys who say they struggle to find work.

Some smelled like strong liquor Wednesday night. A couple of them talked openly about their battles against addiction and alcoholism.

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Eugene and Carol Snodderly have grand plans to feed and clothe the homeless from the New Heart Community Church on Bessie Avenue. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
Willie Nelson, a middle-aged Washington-born transient, said the meals he gets free at church are the only good meals he gets all week.

"And it’s a way to meet up with my pals," said Nelson, who re-christened himself in honor of the eponymous country singer. He’s been homeless for several years, he said, since a disability left him unable to work.

It’s a story echoed by most in the group.

"We’re a community, a pretty tight one," he said between bites of his first and only helping of what he said was his second good meal this week. "Outside, we live in the shadows."

Inside, the friends joked around under the fluorescent church lights, swapping stories and making fun of each other. Nelson sang a gruff rendition of "Folsom Prison Blues."

Most in his group contented themselves with one plate of food because, Nelson explained, hunger makes the stomach shrink, and there’s no point in saving any for later because it’d go bad without a proper place to put it.

Though most of the homeless diners Wednesday night expressed at least a rudimentary belief in Christianity, they said they appreciate that the church volunteers let them eat and leave if they want to.

"We do encourage them to stay," said Center of Hope pastor Ron Ballew, talking about the after-dinner Bible study he leads. "And we see people trickle in after they eat."

Organizers stress that the meals are free with no strings attached, though volunteers actively encourage takers to stay for a Bible study or to get baptized.

Still, an intent to proselytize seems evident when church volunteers talk about how many people have been baptized because they encountered Christianity by showing up to the free dinners.

Three-year Tracy Dry Bean Festival chili cook-off winner Paul Burgess is the guy who cooks up a fresh menu every week at Center of Hope on Holly Drive. It’s been his charity of choice for the past two years, since he recovered from esophageal cancer that doctors first thought would be fatal.

He openly talks about his goal to "reach out" to the people he feeds.

"Why not share with them after what God did for me?" he asked, apron-clad after an afternoon spent preparing sandwiches for a roomful of diners, many but not all of them homeless.

Ballew is glad that the responsibility rests on local churches.

Still, he ceded, it’s important to keep the preaching out of it. Especially when dealing with what is, in a way, a captive audience.

That’s the stance taken by Tracy Interfaith Ministries, which offers groceries and clothing every weekday to the local poor.

But the Center of Hope and the Snodderlys’ free-for-the-needy dinners remain the only two spots in town where area homeless can expect a sit-down supper.

For a town without an established soup kitchen, the service is vital, volunteers maintain. They hope more people will step up to help by giving money, food or time.

Organizers certainly give all three.

The Snodderlys, who married in Redding nine years ago, understand first-hand the travails faced by the homeless. For years, the two survived years on the streets for one reason or another.

Carol, because of a failed business venture followed by a debilitating addiction to methamphetamine. Eugene, because two open-heart surgeries rendered him legally disabled and unable to work.

Christianity turned their lives around, they say, led them to a generous landlord who lets them live in a trailer on his rural Tracy land and instilled in them a desire to feed the hungry.

"They saw what we were doing and asked how to start it somewhere else," Burgess said of their mirrored effort. "If we could get another church to do this on Friday, we’d have three hot meals for people every week. A network."

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written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 23, 2008
This sounds like a nice idea but where do the homeless go to sleep afterwards?
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written by Former Tracyite , August 23, 2008
That is a very good question.....
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written by Motown , August 23, 2008
It's sad to say that there really aren't places for them to go here in town. Just like a few weeks ago they only had one place to get a hot meal. Tracy has a few resources for the chronically homeless, but not enough. I know some people have trouble with the homeless. Some of them seem to want to stay where they are. But until you take the time to get to know them and why they are where they are you'll never know their heartaches. There will always be homelessness in one form or another, sad to say. If you are a Christian you are called to do something about it regardless of how you feel. If you open your Bible to the Gospel you will find that you cannot ignore the poor and hurting. If you aren't Christian I would invite you one Monday or Wednesday to come down and help out. Look these people in the eye, hear their stories and then tell me you can still ignore their plight. A place to sleep is the next step, but it takes money, resources and people to help. We may not get them all off the street for good, but it's a great dream and honestly even just one who turns their life around is an answer to prayer.
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written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 23, 2008
Motown, I know they all have stories. But only a few really could and would let you help them. The housing market has most likely risen the rate of homelessness but I haven't noticed a change in the begging on the street corners for $$$$. The City of Tracy should have some info where they can go to get shelter, it would be in another town however. Tracy can not afford to hold up a homeless shelter because of the cost. Our rate of homeless that want to abide by the rules of homeless shelters is to low yet to even consider building one. The meal is good. What about the rest of their story. The alcohol and drugs. I feel for the ones that honestly need it but the addicts ruin it for them.
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written by what? , August 23, 2008
The new Transient Building on 6th street!
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written by Motown , August 24, 2008
maybenotdumBcommenT: alcohol and drug addictions are a sickness in need of treatment. Whether it be drugs that put them where they are or the way they cope with where they've ended up it's still a sad state to be in and once you are there you're down with the sickness that is addiction. So many bad choices we make thankfully don't have the concequences of drugs, but for some who make that bad choice it can consume them completely. Our love and grace may be all that can pull them out, that and the grace of God. I think someone who has no addictions and no reason to be on the street other than laziness would ruin more for the rest of them, but I still don't feel they deserve anything less than the best we can offer them. I'm certainly not perfect, but I hope the day I meet my maker He can look at me and say I was a good and faithful servant and to be that I must follow the teachings of Jesus. He had a heart for the poor and hurting and so should we without putting conditions on it.
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written by Observer , August 24, 2008
I don't think Jesus required breath tests or drug tests of all those whom He ministered to? People either have an option to save themselves or not?

Many in the picture appear to be senior citizens falling on hard times where their fixed incomes does not go as far? At elderly age many have health problems that they have to decide on food or prescriptions, many times, they forgo the prescriptions for food, this program will lessen the burden for them at least one day a week? That is a break for those fallen on hard times?

Good for the good hearted people who wanted to help ease their hunger!!! God Bless Them!

-amy
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written by Dave Hardesty , August 24, 2008
The following is written for Christians and non-Christians alike.

Hopefully it will clarify what people claiming to be followers of Christ should be doing and how they should be viewing other people who are different from themselves and have different beliefs, customs and socio-economic statuses.

Matthew 25:35 – 40

‘For I was hungry and you gave me food: I was thirsty, and you gave me drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in: Naked, and you clothed me: I was sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when did we see you hungry, and fed you? Or thirsty, and gave you drink? When did we see you as a stranger and take you in? Or Naked, and clothed you? Or when did we see you sick, or in prison, and came to you? And the King shall answer and say to them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, you have done it to me.”

Greek is the original language of the books in the New Testament portion of the Bible. Used above brethren, in the original language of the New Testament, is the Greek word adelphos.

As used in this context of this scripture, adelphos literally means all of mankind. The same “mankind” that Christ’s blood was shed for and the same mankind he defeated death and sin for.

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written by Dave Hardesty , August 24, 2008
In these scriptures Christ is instructing all of his followers, those claiming to be Christians, that if they truly follow him they need to be about helping our fellow man as Christ helped all of mankind.

Granted we do not have the power to be saviors of men, like Christ, but that doesn’t mean that we cannot be about the same work he was about while he walked this earth.

If you look at his life closely in scripture, you can easily see Christ not only met all of mankind’s spiritual needs but also met their earthly physical needs as well. He healed the sick, made the blind to see, made the lame to walk, defended those who could not defend themselves and raised people from the dead. And he did all of those things without considering their social, economic or religious backgrounds.

As followers of Christ it is not ours to deny help to those less fortunate than ourselves despite the things that have occurred in their lives that bring them to the condition they find themselves in, be it drugs, alcohol, diseases, economic status, ethnicity, political views, religious views or any of the things we commonly use to stigmatize and categorize people.

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written by Dave Hardesty , August 24, 2008
Instead, our commandment from Christ is to help people, no matter what walk of life they find themselves in. It’s exactly the same transaction that Christ makes with each one of us when he offers his love and help to each of us.

The sacred song “Just as I am” probably says it best. Christ takes each of us where we are and offers his love and help freely to those who need it and will take it. None of us deserve this treatment. But he offers it freely to anyone who will take it.

As his followers we can really do nothing less than to follow the instructions of the one we call our Master and Savior.

No doubt there are many who feel some will take advantage of this help and use it for undesirable purposes. That may be true, but it’s not for us to decide. That judgment rests with God, not with those of us who claim to follow God.

And who is to say, other than God, who will be reached and who cannot be reached? Our commandment is to reach out to everyone as he is reaching out to each of us. Those who respond and come to him will be taken care of. Those who don’t may profit for a time, at the expense of others, but in the end God deals with them.

I applaud the outreach these two organizations of people are doing in their dealings with those less fortunate. By ministering to people’s physical needs perhaps it can open the door for the spirit of God to minister to their spiritual needs. In this we are nothing more than tools in God’s tool box to be used as he wills. We may plant the seeds but he is the one who makes them grow.

Dave Hardesty

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written by Motown , August 26, 2008
For anyone interested the homeless outreach for New Heart Community Church will be featured on the channel 10 news locally at 11pm. Anyone interested in donating time or supplies please contact the church. You will not be pressured to attend or join the church. This outreach is very necessary and you have no idea how much the people who come to eat each week appreciate what they do.
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written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 26, 2008
How do you all know that this is not the journey God wanted for the homeless. You can want to change that course but everyone here is trying to play God. I don't think anyone should suffer but we need something more like a place for addicts. Clean them up and dry them out, help them get an education.
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written by Annie Snyder , August 26, 2008
mndc, I am not jumping on your sh**, so don't take this personally. There are places for addicts. Some cities have three day units for drying out, which is a start. My dad went to one is San Mateo many times. We did not have to pay anything. Most recovery facilities require that an addict show up dry. I don't know of many places where an addict or alcoholic can go to get recovery for free. They all cost money. There is Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous, though. I have known people who have been on the streets and gotten clean because of those programs. There is no fee to join A.A. or N.A. Anyone who wants to clean can go to meetings. For some, that is not enough. I understand that.
These people are not playing God. I know some of the men in the pictures. They are good men who only want to give what they have gotten so freely. God's love is free. He calls us to do his work here on earth. God guided their path to the hungry and they are doing what He calls them to do. If everybody did what they could to help others then there would be so much less need in this world. My motto is, just do SOMETHING. If you are doing nothing to help another then you are not part of the solution.
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written by AJB , August 26, 2008
I totally agree with my good friend and "sister" Annie Snyder.
There is so much good that comes from helping those folks that are down and out. I have been in service now for almost a year, helping feed the homeless and less unfortunate. It is my way of giving back to the community.
As for A.A. and N.A., not enough can be said about these proven programs.
If you are suffering with the disease of addiction, check out a meeting. There are two meeting places in Tracy. One on 167 W 11th St. and one on Holly, across from Center Of Hope Church.
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written by Observer , August 26, 2008
If one wants to help, help unconditionally.
If one wants to love, love unconditionally.
If one wants to forgive, forgive unconditionally.
Think of the rewards of blessings that awaits for those who wants to serve... unconditionally!

God bless all those who want to help!

-amy
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written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 26, 2008
Yes, there is a process for getting a home, for getting clean, to a job, etc. I know all that, but is this a case of which comes first. Addicts and non-addicts need different help from each other, I understand that. So who gets helped first?

I'm reading this all and I think some of you don't think I know about the hungry and homeless. Believe me, I do, I may have run into a few of you. I help those that can't help themselves. I give food, water, diapers, dollars. I see hunger looking at me.

I'm just saying Tracy hasn't yet met the criteria,(not set by me) to house the homeless. I don't think Tracy has enough or to much to get a shelter started. It's like a catch 22, as soon as we have to much, then something might get done about it. Thats all I'm saying.




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written by solar_biscuit , August 27, 2008
Dave Hardesty-I don't believe anyone would turn away a person truly in need of help. But, as it turns out most of these people are CRONIC homeless that have chosen this way of life to avoid responsibility. They don't pay taxes to help support the economy, they urinate and defecate in our alleys, the steal anything we leave outside, and they are a blight on our city. If you feed them, they will come. Any city that helps the homeless, soon gets infested with them. If you leave a few crumbs out, the roaches show up. Just like cities that help the illegals are soon infested with them. Then the economy of that city suffers, from housing to insurance, because the homeless buy nothing to stimulate anything other than the ire of the insured waiting behind them in the ER. If you are hungry, I would be happy to buy you a meal, really. But don't pee in the streets, bang my car with your stolen shopping cart, and steal the wiring from houses under construction. I don't want homeless people infesting my city. At least Jesus contributed by motivation and inspiration. AND, I am speaking of the "cronic" homeless, not the honest victims.
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written by Motown , August 27, 2008
Solar_Biscuit, Chronically homeless or not all are in need of help. Jesus didn't say sell all you have and give it to the poor (but only the poor who really need it and not the one's who might steal or cheat or lie etc.) Do you not think that New Heart gives motivation and inspiration to these people? Do you not think that prayer can work? Not only are people being fed, but Carol and Gene have given a couple of them bikes so they can get around town. They helped a couple of them get jobs just this week. They will be interviewing them this Thursday to see what their immediate and long term needs are. That is more than just leaving a few crumbs out. This church nourishes the body and the spirit. You really cannot escape the touch of Carol and Gene and the reflection of Jesus in their eyes and hearts.
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written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 27, 2008
I guess you have never run into a homeless person digging in your recycle bin for cans, which is illegal. Those bikes are nice and it will help them get around to more garbage cans faster and to carry their giant bags of cans to the recycle, enough dough to buy a 40 oz.

I was trying to be nice but solar_biscuit hit the nail on the head. It is what will really happen, over half the homeless in Tracy DO NOT WANT TO STOP THEIR DRINKING to live in a shelter. They admit it.

God can only do so much. You know the old saying about leading the horse to water but you can't make them drink it.
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written by Annie Snyder , August 27, 2008
One can hope that, if you leave the water out, the horse will choose to drink before it dies. If some of these people find a way out of the bottle then Carol and Gene have done a priceless service to their fellow man. Whether or not the hungry get help, they are hungry. A lot of them are not homeless, they are simply poor. I grew up money poor. We had to take food from our church sometimes. As children, we hated it. It was humiliating. Those people gave from the heart, though. Let me ask you...If you saw a family with nine children, a mom in a wheel chair and a dad determined to run his own business, would you want to help? Would you think they could be doing more for themselves? Would you wonder why the relatives were not helping? The people of the church never rejected us. Our relatives did offer to help, but my parents could not give any of us away. We grew up rich in other ways.

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written by Annie Snyder , August 27, 2008
Everyone has their gift to offer the world. Once you find out what your's is then give it away freely. This is Gene and Carol's gift.
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written by Observer , August 27, 2008
Really liked your attitude Annie Snyder!

People who gave of generous heart, unconditionally, imagine the friends they have accumulated in their lifetime! Kindness and reprieve from hardships of life is not something one will easily forget! People who want to receive kindness unconditionally, should give it, unconditionally, too? Same with love, forgiveness, understanding, acceptance and so on... what seems impossible ....is no longer if we begin with taking small steps at first?

Anyone who wants to help, could donate canned goods, canned meat, fish, poultry, fruits, vegetables, any food, flour, sugar to this cause so they could continue the program.

Gene and Carol are not rich, poor in fact, and they are helping those poorer than they.. unconditionally! Bless them and bless those who spoke in favor of this program!

We should not concentrate on the few who failed themselves instead of the many who fell on hard times. Don't let those attention dwell on negative view of those who have drugs or drinking habit destroy this wonderful program... in dealing with "undiscriminated" HUNGER. A child in the picture, eating with the adults.... young couple eating with those less fortunate, many people come together to remind those and themselves they are still human and valued by those who love the Lord.

Thanks for your testimony, Annie Snyder, I have said this once before you are a true survivor, it just confirms it again for me! Good for you, Annie! Good for Gene and Carol for dealing with HUNGER ISSUES.

-amy

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written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 27, 2008
We are all survivors, making our way thru life. My Mother was an alcoholic and tried to commit suicide several times, the visits to see her as an 8 year old at the mental institutions are always with me, I know the pain. I know the suffering of children, mothers, fathers and relatives. Some people did not even know the stuff we as a family went thru, even her brothers and sister were surprised by it. I still loved her deeply and forgave her long before her passing and my grieving is less then those that did not, so far.

I also had 2 outfits for the school year and one pair of shoes. I'm not bitter, they did the best they could.

I know the program is a good one, of course it is, but that is for the ones who are willing to go. Yes, if they find their way out of the bottle, that is good, in fact great.


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written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 27, 2008
About the question and family with 9 children and helping them, yes, I would want to help. The way I help, as a lot do, it goes into the pot at Tracy Interfaith and they distribute it the best they can. I do it with them. I see where it goes, it is supplemental help and better then nothing. (I have also sent many important people to the jail and have gotten several thousand dollars because the people I send need to be working and they bring in the bucks for the hungry.) The city gives out this info when they run into families on hard times. And now TIM will be able to help more. Now we all are on hard time because of the economy. We are all cutting back. I still wear clothes I have had for 5 years plus. I have the same jacket for years. It is fine for me. I am very lucky.

What is hard for me are some of these things the government are paying for to do experiments that seem frivolous when we have so much hunger. We seem to feed the hunger all over the world. We as Tracy residents have to take care of our own hungry and hurting families but not all want the help. They really would rather drink alcohol. They really don't want to be told what to do. I have done my homework on this and it is hard to understand why, they are to sick to care for themselves. But they want to be independent.
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written by solar_biscuit , August 27, 2008
Annie Snyder-Do not think that I have no sympathy for these people, rather I have much empathy because I grew up the child of alcoholics, eating green bologna, rotten apples, and beer nuts! I know what its like to crawl out of the pit and work through it all. These "cronic" homeless I spoke of are not meant to be lumped in with the "less than fortunate" people that are struggling through tough times. I hope you can understand the difference, I learned to. Cronic homeless. If you knew how much the city spends on homeless dregs and all related programs you would be VERY upset. Feed the hungry, save the children, but get rid of the cronics and give the nothing. I do not work my butt, and commute everyday like the rest of you, just to hand over my money to some loser that refuses to follow the rules of society! For how long now have the bums been standing out in front of McDonalds, and across the street at Safeway shopping center with their "please help, or will work for food" signs? Does it ease your conscience to drive by and give them spare change or a hamburger? How much cash do you think these people bring in everyday? Do they pay taxes on that cash? Think about it before you contribute to these people........are you really helping them, or easing your guilt?
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written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 27, 2008
Solar_biscuit, the homeless can make in over excess of 2 to 3 hundred dollars a day. That goes to drugs and alcohol. They work harder begging and digging for cans then a regular job would be. There are some genuine homeless that are not doing that. But.....

I just don't want the people that are helping them give away things that would better serve someone who really wants to help themselves.

I feel that I have been misjudged here and was forced to tell a small part of the hell I went thru as a child. I'm a good person and am sick of people thinking I'm not because of my opinions. I say it like it is. I have seen so much heartache the druggies bring to their family and friends and to people that try to help them. They are using them. I had a sibling that could work the system and she taught everyone how. I don't like paying someones Social Security when they are perfectly fine, they want to float around life in a haze, let them. They will ruin it for the truly needy.
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written by Annie Snyder , August 27, 2008
Solar_biscuit, I absolutely do not give to those people! I am an addict/alcoholic myself. I grew up with alcoholic parents. I know panhandlers are not there to get money for bills, unless Bill is the name of the dealer. At this time I don't give to charities, either. I help young people. I feed them in my home if they need food. I have given kids a place to stay if they can follow my rules and need a safe place. I have locked my door against an abusive parent to protect a child more than once. The children are victims. I don't call the police because that is not what the child wants. They just want the adult to sober up. We all do what we are called to do.
I do understand your point, though. There are some that really have a need and some that are unwilling to fix the problem. I would not say that Tracy needs a shelter. I never thought that. We have McHenry house and there is someplace for battered women, I think. We do need more help for the mentally ill, though. There are adults out there with no skills for dealing with life and noplace to live. If they are on drugs it is because they can't distiguish between acceptable behavior and unacceptable behavior.

mndc, You are fine. You said nothing wrong here. You were stating your opinion on this issue, just like the rest of us. You did not become insulting. You stuck to the facts. Everyone has a story. If I saw a child like the one I was I would want to take her in. I had a difficult childhood, but who didn't. My dad's dad was a prisoner of war for two and a half years in the Philipines in WWII when my dad was in high school. Life is a challange. We learn and grow.
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written by Tracy RealNews , August 28, 2008

Before this country had a welfare system the hungry relied on the churches for help. Nowadays people are falling through the cracks when it comes to government programs.

When I lived in Pittsburgh and went attended schools there, I lived in a downtown building. The rent was low. It used to be an old YMCA building. The cost of rent was based on income. Since I was working - I had to pay full price (which was still low rent for a working student). That's how I could afford to work and go to school in Pittsburgh, in the evening. The building had a "soup kitchen". I paid for a dinner and ate Thanksgiving Dinner there one year. There were a few people there, but nowadays, with a slumping economy, I'm certain that they will have their work cut out for them.

Glad to see they are "filling the void"!

Job well done!

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written by Dave Hardesty , August 28, 2008
MBNDC

"How do you all know that this is not the journey God wanted for the homeless?"

Good question. But I honestly don't believe that God wants people to be homeless and have to endure these journeys. For one, it sort of stands in conflict to the instructions of Matthew 25 and I don't believe God confuses his message.

Now if you are not a Christian believer you might not understand this. But that's sort of the point of Jennifer's article isn't it? Two faith based organizations doing something to better the lives of those who are less fortunate no matter what the reason is for their misfortune.

Besides, for the non-Christian, why should you (a collective usage and not a personal one directed at you) care? It doesn't cost you (same collective usage) anything and whether or not someone is helping these people or not helping them, they are still there and their need is still as real.

Most of these organizations, if not all, are very in tune with those who abuse the system to continue their self destruction of their lives. And they do employ methods to keep the abuse of the system to a minimum and still attempt to help these people as well. That's really all it's about, helping people.

The alternative is do absolutely nothing and that is what I find unacceptable in a civilized society.

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written by Dave Hardesty , August 28, 2008
I am sorry you had to endure the things you endured as a child. No one should have to live through that. I know from experiences in my own family as a child. My uncle and his wife were both alcoholics and not only destroyed their own lives but the lives of my cousins as well.

But apparently it didn't adversely affect you as you seem to be educated, well mannered and did not remain in that situation once you had the means to get yourself out of that situation. And just perhaps that is all we can do. We might not be able to help the person but if we are somehow involved just perhaps we can help their family members deal with the problem until they are able to extract themselves from the problem like you did.

Everyone you attempt to help are not going to respond the way you hope. But that shouldn't keep you from trying, should it? Yes, I too don't like the fact that things like social security and welfare are abused by some people. But I wonder, what are the percentages of people who abuse these systems compared to the percentages of people who are actually helped? If one abuses the system and ten are helped is not that a good transaction?

For a fact you won't be able to help all of them, that is pretty much a certainty. But if you don't try to help all of them then you don't help anyone and in my mind that is much worse of an outcome than having a percentage of the people who abuse the system.

And like Skippy said, once all help of this nature came out of religious organizations and the government was not involved. Now it the government is involved, and it seems there are even more problems and many of the religious organizations have simply given up.

I don't know about you but I see a problem with this and am pleased to learn that some religious organizations are once again taking the lead to help solve some of societies problems.

Dave Hardesty

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written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 31, 2008
Dave H, says:
But I honestly don't believe that God wants people to be homeless and have to endure these journeys.


But you don't know either, these people are on a very hard journey and it will make them stronger if they make it out of it. They have choices Dave H. They also know they can get help, they are adults.


Dave H.,
Most of these organizations, if not all, are very in tune with those who abuse the system to continue their self destruction of their lives.


I don't think so, but stay in the clouds with that Dave H.


Dave H,.
The alternative is do absolutely nothing and that is what I find unacceptable in a civilized society.


If people choose to not give that is their right and you are judging them for something they coose not to do.

If you look at it as trying to help all of the homeless you will never feel accomplished. Look at is as helping as many as you can. They most certainly appreciate it. When I hear them say thank you to me I know they are appreciative and I smile.

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written by maybenotdumBcommenT , September 02, 2008
Annie, now I know why you have such a great sense of humor, Thank you for sharing that when it is most private.

I feel God sends us on all these journey's to learn. We are human and we make mistakes. And if we are lucky enough we grow from them, Or we can die from them .

It is like you Dave not to respond to people such as I, for what I have written. I guess you are still trying to find the answer in the bible. God gave us common sense too so we coould help ourselves, so as to grow and learn for Him.
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