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| Written by John Doherty | |
| Tuesday, 05 August 2008 | |
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A years-long focus on residential building instead of real job growth by local leaders has made Tracy an unbalanced burg. The one consistent issue in Tracy politics during the 19 years I have lived here is that our elected officials appear to work in a vacuum when it comes to allowing developers to keep on building houses. In case our elected officials have not been paying attention to the news, maybe they should consider the following news flashes prior to granting more homebuilding permits in Tracy: The housing market has collapsed, with San Joaquin County being in the top-three hardest-hit counties in the country, and 93 percent of the people who have bought houses in San Joaquin since 2005 owe more on their mortgages than their houses are worth. Gas is also $4 a gallon; the traffic commute through the Livermore Valley is now one of the three worst commutes in the Bay Area. To add 3,850 homes to these problems in exchange for a swimming complex seems to be at odds with what is in the best interest of the residents of Tracy. Even the most optimistic evaluators of the housing problem believe it will be after late 2010 that the market will start to recover, which means that at about the same time the current residents of Tracy start to recover the value of their homes, there will be a flood of new houses entering the market. The overall living conditions for the residents of Tracy would improve if there were more jobs in Tracy that paid a wage that would allow their employees to live in Tracy. If you want a minimum-wage job, Tracy is the place to be, with its extensive number of jobs in fast-food restaurants and retail stores. The only industry in Tracy where there has been substantial job growth over the past two decades is warehousing and shipping, and that growth was because of Tracy’s geographical location and not because of the work done by our city government. The other businesses that did produce good-paying jobs were related to homebuilding, but those are not permanent jobs, and that job market collapsed with the collapse of the housing market. What would be an interesting fact to know would be the number of employees in private industry in Tracy who are paid enough to afford to buy a house in Tracy, even at today’s reduced prices. This number would not include the self-employed, owners of businesses or government employees. The growth in jobs in Tracy that pay a wage that allows the employee to live in Tracy has been abysmal, and our elected officials have never made it a priority. It could be argued that the city government is even hostile to job growth, based on its lukewarm response to building a courthouse in Tracy and its backing of the Surland subdivision, even with its negative impact on the Tracy Municipal Airport. The question our city officials should investigate is the following: Who is going to want to live in Tracy if they have to drive two hours each direction to work, pay $100 to $200 a week in gas and have a home that has no equity? • John Doherty is an attorney in Tracy who has lived here for 19 years. Trackback(0)
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 written by Dale Cose , August 06, 2008
Tom, someone after your heart.
Written by John Doherty In late 80's and early 90's many new Tracy homeowners in found their homes worth less than their mortgages. Everyone gave up and went down the drain... or not Gas is also $4 a gallon; the traffic commute through the Livermore Valley is now one of the three worst commutes in the Bay Area. vs The overall living conditions for the residents of Tracy would improve if there were more jobs in Tracy that paid a wage that would allow their employees to live in Tracy. Summation- Tough commute eliminated by better paying jobs in Tracy if current council focused. While we wait for the Pelosi/Reid energy plan... could you please list any employers, wishing to locate in Tracy knowing that the town's population increase is limited to 1,800 residents a year. Decision makers want a large labor pool of educated skilled and unskilled potential employees. Wages are set by competition and demand. there will be a flood of new houses entering the market. every builder/developer/lender salivates at the prospect of bringing new homes to a tough market. Your advice is to stop planning for the future, and then when the future gets here... start the planning... all while bringing new jobs to Tracy? Tom... happiness , a thinker on par with you.  written by Malcolm , August 06, 2008
"could you please list any employers, wishing to locate in Tracy knowing that the town's population increase is limited to 1,800 residents a year. Decision makers want a large labor pool of educated skilled and unskilled potential employees."
The same ones that go to Pleasanton, Livermore and other residential growth controlled communities Cose. Come on, first it was "we have to have 50K population to bring in business, then it was 75K population, now 100K, or 200K ? John you are right on, its all about priorities! Stop the sprawl and save our hills now!  written by Tom Benigno , August 06, 2008
To whom it may concern:
Dale's economic forcast, presented by the experts at picking up forclosiers. Call city hall 831-4638 ask for Brent. t. b written by Dale Cose , August 06, 2008 500 at the beginning, then 2000, then 6000... 25,000. Life is not static Malcolm, it moves on. written by Tom Benigno , August 06, 2008
To whom it may concern:
Dale the Republicans are not going to help you. You are a loose cannon. t. b written by Malcolm , August 06, 2008
Measure A limits are 600 average housing permits per year. Other cities like Livermore and Pleasanton have far less, they have smaller populations yet they have head of household jobs and thriving economies.
Bilbrey, Ives, Tucker, Tolbert created a false moratorium by implementing Measure A limits after passage to a ten year average, allowing pre Measure A growth rates (1500 per year) to continue on projects they had approved before Measure A then a FAMINE of 5 years to reach the 600 average. They could have implemented it as written and passed, they chose not to and the San Joaquin Court backed them up. 600 homes per year is a lot of homes, we have the skilled labor 70% of us are going outside of Tracy to earn enough to live in Tracy. Let's lure business growth the same way we did residential growth with incentives and make business growth the priority, not the oddball in Tracy. Cose, Souza, Serpa, etc - the party's over, time to go home and sleep it off. written by Dale Cose , August 06, 2008 written by Tom Benigno , August 06, 2008 or Tom's unstated advice... leave the house a vacant, crime magnet, financially unproductive burden and an eyesore. That's the spirit Tom. written by Dale Cose , August 06, 2008 written by Malcolm , August 06, 2008 could you enumerate the residential growth incentives used to lure growth? Less platituding, start thinking. If the labor force as you stated ... skilled labor 70% of us are going outside of Tracy... already meets new business relocation requirements and the city council has been responsible for not bringing jobs to Tracy: a) what incentive or combination thereof would you offer businesses to locate here? b) will you require a minimum starting wage guarantees from companies agreeing to relocate? c) will your search inform companies that Measure A benefits their business? d) have you had experience in: •1- recruiting new business •2- retaining existing business •3- business consulting in a specific or non-specific field e) is Tracy, and by extension the San Joaquin County, competitive with other: •1 California cities and counties •2 bordering states •3 the Western United States •4 the nation •5 globally Average your 600 permits in whatever manner appeals to you... Measure A is not benefit to business written by Dale Cose , August 06, 2008 written by Dale Cose , August 06, 200 written by Malcolm , August 06, 2008 Compare the demographics for Tracy vs the Pleasanton/Livermore areas. Any points differ? How? written by Malcolm , August 06, 2008 Imagine a court enforcing actions approved before Measure A's approval. Why can't we just change any agreements/requirements unilateraly? written by Dale Cose , August 06, 2008 written by Malcolm , August 06, 2008 2000 Population Census Tracy- 56,929 Dublin- 29,973 Livermore- 73,345 Pleasanton- 63,654 (3 city aggragate- 166,972) Area Median Income Alameda County- $83,800 San Joaquin County- $67,280 written by Tom Benigno , August 06, 2008
To whom it may concern :
Dale you hit it right on the head, when you told me there is still a lot of opportunity in Tracy. The opportunity only comes to those who have their hands on public money's. I think you get my drift. I will never get my $200,000 back on this house in a lifetime. t. b written by Dale Cose , August 06, 2008 I don't get our drift... please explain it. written by Tom Benigno , August 06, 2008 Heard the same variations in the 70's, 80's, 90's, and today. Those that held made money.  written by Dave Hardesty , August 06, 2008
While I do appreciate John's comments and the comments of others, I respectfully disagree.
One of the very large factor a company looks at, when considering to locate in a community, is where their high salaried and hourly employees will live, what amenities they have to support them and what other infrastructure exists that will assist the business to be successful. All of these things are discussed in your average Economics 101 class but apparently many do not pay a whole lot of attention. In order to get businesses to settle here you have to have things that attract them. Building homes, letting smaller business start up, providing things like restaurants, shopping and entertainment are all things that are attractive to big business. It's also wise to consider other things to attract jobs. Yes, Safeway Distribution moved here from Richmond. So did OHS and Cost-Co if I am not mistaken. Yellow Freight is here as well. Why? Because we happen to be in the center of the crossroads of transportation for things moving in and out of the Bay Area and north and south through all of California. The trick of any business, and it should be for any City, is to capitalize on the assets you have instead of other pipe dreams that will come as business settles into the area. We should be concentrating on adding to rail freight and passenger facilities and developing more transportation hubs, both for passengers and freight. We missed the boat on air port expansion and that would have been a boon to our city. But that's now 12 years or so in the past and unfortunately it's too late to wind back the clock. written by Dave Hardesty , August 06, 2008
Building nothing but homes isn't good either. And even though mistakes have been made in the past doesn't mean the City or the elected representatives, past and present, have not been doing a pretty good job for the entire community on the whole.
I have live here for 30 years. When I moved to town the second stop light in town was installed on 11th Street and Tracy Blvd. Virtually none of the houses south of the bow tie area were there and only the small housing area round central and the bow-tie area existed. The major parks were Lincoln, Dr Powers and El Pescadero. The grocery store was Safeway, Center-O and perhaps another I cannot recall at this time. Scotty's bait shop was out in the country with nothing around it. The first big box store was K-Mart, now defunct in our town. So what's happened in the last 30 years? 200+ acres of new parks have been built. Beautiful street right of ways that look like parks themselves have been built. New written by Dave Hardesty , August 06, 2008
New Schools for our children have been built. New shopping centers offering a wider selection of goods and services have been built. A bus system has been created. ACE service that everyone said wouldn’t happen now serves Tracy. A rather nice enclosed mall to shop in with surrounding stores as well has been built. An auto mall to have a better selection of automobiles not originally sold by good folks like Stan Moray has been constructed. A newly redeveloped down town with a remodeled theatrical theater has been created. A multi-screen movie theater in the mall is available for up to the minute latest releases available to be seen.
More doctors, dentists and medical clinics are here because of a growing residential community. Sutter Tracy Hospital and clinics are much larger and provides much better service than the old Tracy Hospital did, and that hospital was great for the time it served our community don’t get me wrong. Kaiser’ clinic is here. Large restaurants are here. Entertainment is here. Business infrastructure is here. What attracted them? People, that's what. What attracted the people? It was affordable new homes in a new growing community away from the problems of a basically land locked bay area with all of its problems. The total infrastructure has grown and it's these things, the availability of an educated and technical labor force and amenities to support them those businesses, the high tech ones and all of them, are looking for. Ask Trader Joe’s why they are not in Tracy at the moment. Their answer will confirm what I have said above. written by Dave Hardesty , August 06, 2008
I read somewhere that 85,000 was sort of a magic number of population density that attracts these big businesses into an area. Guess what? We are almost at that figure.
But things can be large detractors as well. Barriers to business and their profitability cause them to move out or stay out of an area. Difficulties in negotiations of contracts between cities and business are one. Taxes and fees to build are others. But who benefits when businesses move in with high paying jobs that fill homes in this area and spend their monies in this area? We all do. However you can't attract them if you consistently hound them and expect them to foot the entire bill of everything on their own shoulders. Their investors are not stupid and will demand they set up shop somewhere else more favorable to their profits. That means the jobs that go along with these businesses go elsewhere. Folks, for goodness sakes, stop living in the past and look towards the future. Stop complaining about the mistakes of the past. Learn from them and don't make them again in the future. Look at all the good things you have instead of concentrating solely on the bad. written by Dave Hardesty , August 06, 2008
"Why must you be such an angry young man when your future looks quite bright to me?"
Yes, it needs planning. Yes, it needs community involvement at all levels. But we also need to approach these things in a compromising spirit as well or nothing will ever be achieved and Tracy will wither on the vine of commerce and eventually die as nothing more than a bedroom community. Today all I see is bickering, finger pointing and back biting. None of you apparently think about or appreciate what truly great things that have been accomplished in Tracy over the last 30 years. Also, this isn't a problem with just Tracy. It's a problem all through America today. Things are only this bad because we think that they are and that affects our economy. Do we really want to roll back the clock to 50 years ago and live in that time period? I don't. No computers, black and white television, no divided highways, no sidewalks, most streets unpaved except for the big cities with all of their problems. And to ladle all of the problems we have today on the city is simply ridiculous. Without the involvement of present and past city officials, Counsel Members, Commissioners, business men and women, a the vast majority of you wouldn't be reading this today and would be living somewhere else. Look at what you have and stop the insane complaints about what you don't have. Most of you right now are profiting from the visions of those who have preceded you. Work together instead of the foolishness of the political games being played. Give a little. Get involved in people's lives. This is the generation of the lonely. Do you know your neighbor and his/her problems? Can't you put down your toys and self-entertainment long enough to even know your neighbors and participate in your local governments and schools? Or is the boob tube and computer keyboard the only outside social life you have? written by Dave Hardesty , August 06, 2008
If you want to see the real problem go look in the mirror and the vast majority of you will see it staring you right back in the face.
BTW, because of what I do for a living I work in Sunnyvale. My monthly transportation costs are about $250. Yes, it's a little sacrifice of my time and one reason you don't seem me out and about every evening. But I manage. And I know my neighbors and I know my elected representatives and still have the time to socialize with friends, work for the betterment of my community and enjoy the things the city has to offer. If I can do all of that, is it unreasonable to expect that others can do the same? Perhaps it is. Dave Hardesty written by Malcolm , August 06, 2008
Written by Dale Cose, Aug 6, 2008
"2000 Population Census Tracy- 56,929 Dublin- 29,973 Livermore- 73,345 Pleasanton- 63,654 (3 city aggragate- 166,972)" Well, consider this: Current Numbers: Tracy - approx 80,000 plus Manteca - 63,700 Future Growth: Mountain House - 40,000 River Islands - 27,500 Total aggregate: 211,200 We need some jobs Cose. written by Dave Hardesty , August 06, 2008
Malcolm
Then consider this. Well, consider this: Current Numbers: Tracy - approx 80,000 plus - Housing and business infrastructure capable of attacting big businesses, supporting them and supporting their employees. Manteca - 63,700 - Big businesses in Manteca, where are they. Would you rather live in Manteca, which isn't all that bad, or Tracy with everything Tracy has to offer you across a broad scale? Future Growth: Mountain House - 40,000 - No businesses, no infrastructure to attract big businees, a true bedroom community if there ever was one. And don't get me wrong, I like Mountain House and the people who live there. River Islands - 27,500 - Same as Mountain House above. Total aggregate: 211,200 So, which community do you suppose has a better opportunity to attract the bread winning jobs you so desperately are crying for? Take you pick but if we can make it easier for them to move here without all the negativity and bickering it seems to me Tracy is by far the leader in achieving that goal. Dave Hardesty written by Dale Cose , August 06, 2008 Some additional information, Does a business relocate for employees that will potentially live in the area in the future... or employees living in the area now? Dublin current- 46,934 Pleasanton current- 67,700 Livermore current- 80,723 San Ramone current- 53,130 Danville current- 43,250 Total current- 288,737 not including Alameda County within 5 miles of city limits. Considered your comments and suggest you take them up with employers to see what their responses may be. They would be the ones to bring jobs. written by Dale Cose , August 06, 2008 An error on my part Area Median Income Alameda County- $83,800 San Joaquin County-  written by Ian Stewart , August 06, 2008
Mr. Cose, something else to consider. According to these statistics from the St. Louis Fed http://research.stlouisfed.org...SAVERT.txt , personal savings rates were consistently above 5% of earned income from the mid-80s all the way up through 1993. Contrast that with the statistics from 1999 onwards. In previous housing market busts, people weren't so concerned about home equity because they had money in the bank to ride it out. In the first decade of this century, however, people were encouraged to take on unsustainable levels of debt and treat home equity as a source of spending money. Savings rates are spiking now, but the two most recent data points they have there seem to indicate the same sort of volatility that other economic sectors are enduring.
I'm not going to side with the Measure A cheerleaders, since it's the same kind of command-economy BS that gets us in trouble on the state and national levels. But you must admit that the macroeconomic situation is different this time around. Builders will likely have plenty of existing stock to compete with into the next decade. Sure, sales rates have soared in the valley recently, but how many of those buyers are funded by banks' attempts to squeeze the last few drops out of the secondary mortgage market? How many of them can survive if they're experiencing declining equity right off the bat? There were certainly a few who sat out the overheated housing market and saved up for a proper down payment, but with the overall savings percentage being so low, I can't imagine there are enough to absorb all the houses now sitting empty (as well as the ones yet to become empty). written by Dale Cose , August 06, 2008 Mr. Stewart, I agree the situation is somewhat different this time though each new scenario in life has elements of a previous. Letting a buyer claim any amount of income without verification, using home equity as spending money, lenders looking at short-term profits instead of good business practices brought us to today. The stock of new housing is going fairly quick... auctions, sales price reductions, paying closing costs- whatever is required. With builder/developers a house is business inventory whose investors want a return. There are a large number of building lots available, both 'paper' lots (meaning land with approved tentative maps) and 'finished' lots (meaning ready to build a residence.) In most cases the sales price of both are below what it costs to develop them. New homes with new construction costs, holding costs, impact fees, permit fees, loan fees, title and escrow fees, architectural fees, attorneys fees... cannot compete with the properties available today. Until the price of an existing home reaches parity with a new home don't look for too much new construction. Homeowners have an emotional interest in a property leading to a different investment view. Declining equity while unsettling has in the past been short term (less than 5 years.) There are enough home buyers and investors to absorb the homes on the market... the question is the price. written by Tom Benigno , August 06, 2008
To whom it may concern:
The figures you didn't put in, should be Republicans in Tracy make $68,900 to $250,000. Also most in business have a great tax shelter. Take it home, as Ms. Tolbert said at a meeting in Dublin in 2000 if it's on the table take it. Things haven't changed. t. b written by Tom Benigno , August 06, 2008
To whom it may concern:
Ian Stewart: Let me know when you graduate, from UOP. You may want to stay in school for another 50 years. There are no jobs. t. b written by Dale Cose , August 07, 2008 written by Tom Benigno , August 06, 2008 When a thought wanders around the big empty space between your ears does it hurt or can't you feel it? Have you ever cringed when you've comprehended something you previously uttered? Do any of the words I've written make sense to you or do they cause your head to go numb? Your ability to make up factoids borders on scary. Where did you get your numbers?  written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 07, 2008
I like the article. Thought provoking and makes sense also if I may just quote something I thought worth repeating,
Let's lure business growth the same way we did residential growth with incentives and make business growth the priority, not the oddball in Tracy.by Malcolm written by Dale Cose , August 07, 2008 written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 06, 2008 Let's lure business growth the same way we did residential growth with incentives and make business growth the priority, not the oddball in Tracy. repeat posting Could you enumerate the residential growth incentives used to lure growth? What incentive or combination thereof would you offer businesses to locate here? written by Tom Benigno , August 07, 2008
To whom it may concern:
Dale Cose can't you be civil with people who give their opinions,You have your ideas and others have theirs. You think because you make comments about peoples opinions you attack them. You seem to want people to believe that what you say is true. All you do is make an ass out of yourself. The continual reticule that spews from you and Hardesty does nothing to solve the problems. I'm am really supprised that the Tracy Press has not ban your comments from the blog because of your furthur embarrassment to the news paper. To add insult to injury, I would think your family would be telling you to knock off your big mouth comments. Where is Don Cose in all this garbage that you spew, your bad for his business. The Rotary pretty much figured that out by having you removed as President. I know your going to tell everyone that it's not you making those posts, it's the ghost of Contractors past. In closing I don't think you were around in the 70's 80's maybe as a "little bully" but not in the futures of real-estate, that was 28 years plus ago that made you about 8 years old. Love ya Mother. t. b written by Dale Cose , August 07, 2008 written by Tom Benigno , August 07, 2008 Some recent highlights of your problem solving abilities We are all going down the drain The opportunity only comes to those who have their hands on public money's. You may want to stay in school for another 50 years. There are no jobs. Republicans in Tracy make $68,900 to $250,000. The terrorism is here on the streets of America. Dale you have your head so far up Ornellas butt, you can't see the forest thru the trees. You help Pombo lose, I was just a pawn in the game. So I was able to crack his armor the rest is history. Martha Stewarts,inmate traing, how to cook the books for the city. Maybe a monkey selling popcorn. Then who is the organ grinder? I'm am really supprised that the Tracy Press has not ban your comments from the blog because of your furthur embarrassment to the news paper. Tracy Press, thank you for bending over to accommodate my embarrassment of your paper... I would think your family would be telling you to knock off your big mouth comments. thank you for including them. Hi Joyce! stop posting... and I will. written by Tom Benigno , August 07, 2008
To whom it may concern:
Why do you bring my wife into it Dale? She posted with me one time on the same page but it was not to you. What is wrong with you? You can't run me off if thats what you are trying to do, it won't work. Who is paying you to attack me? If you want to attack people,why don't you join the ARMY? It is still taking recruits over 40 years of age. Then, you can go over to IRAQ and support the cause and get your damn head blown off. Leave my wife out of it! t. b written by Dale Cose , August 07, 2008 Who is paying you to attack me? A organization Drama Underwhelms Me Because All is So Squib ... so hush-hush that I can't even say their initials. The very mention could get me silenced. I'm paid north of 7 figures for all I do to quiet you down though lately my employers are having doubts about my effectiveness. No matter what I write... you still comment. Maybe I need to redouble my efforts. written by Tom Benigno , August 07, 2008 I would think your family would be telling you to knock off your big mouth comments. Where is Don Cose in all this garbage that you spew, your bad for his business. written by Dale Cose , August 07, 2008 written by Tom Benigno , August 07, 2008 Tom, any disparity here? written by Dave Hardesty , August 07, 2008
Tom Benigno
"Leave my wife out of it!" Then perhaps you should leave your wife out of it Tom. You brought her into the conversation, no one else did. "All you do is make an ass out of yourself. The continual reticule that spews from you and Hardesty does nothing to solve the problems." Preceeded by, "You think because you make comments about peoples opinions you attack them." Tom Are you really all that dumb? I am starting to believe, once again, that you have a mental self-persecution complex. I have not said one thing against you that you have not first brought on yourself. You want to play your little snotty games and denegrate others but when others turn the tables on you then you cry foul. Hey Tom, people who live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones at other people's homes. I thought you were old enough to have grown up and get past this sort if thing but I can see you are back in your infancey of a second childhood. But I weary of fighting with you Tom. It's sort of like having a gunfight with an unarmed man and where's the fun in that?  Have a nice day and don't burst a blood vessel, it's not worth it. But then again it might improve your circulation. You don't like my responses to you? Then I would suggest you leave my name out of your comments to others. Remember this Tom, like in the RAMBO movies, you have drawn the first blood. Dave Hardesty written by Tom Benigno , August 07, 2008
To whom it may concern:
You dummy! Dale made the comment that my wife was blogging she was not. She did however make a comment to you in regard to me, on another time. Your name was mentioned because of that. Keep my name out of your writing and I will do the same. Those are harsh words to me, for a person like yourself who has lost the consept of the truth. t. b written by Tom Benigno , August 07, 2008
To whom it may concern:
As in the movie the "Untouchables" dummy don't bring a knife to a gun fight. You just lost again. t. b  written by amy , August 07, 2008
Too much personal saga for me to bother with wading through to find the post covering the article. Gonna skip this, like many readers soured by the harping of "past history of injustices".
Just want to stick with the article in its right priority? Otherwise it is just "misplaced" priority in these later discussions...??? Sorry. -amy written by Dave Hardesty , August 07, 2008
amy
Thanks for bringing this back to reality. Of course I do have a problem with the truth, according to someone, so you might not to listen to anything I write. After 30 years of living here I have seen a lot of improvements and ammenities developed in Tracy and wouldn't want to roll the clock back to then. I feel Tracy has a pretty healty outlook if we can get rid of the rampit negativity and start looking what has been done instead of nitpicking the errors made along the way. What's in the past is in the past and you can't change it. So it's important to look at the past and then try to prevent negative things from happening in the future. It doesn't mean you won't make new mistakes but if you don't analyze what was done and then work together to accomplish new things the chances are you will keep making mistakes and that isn't good for anyone. Planning is extreamly important. Empty promises with no demonstrated ability to carry out those promises is the real poison. That is what the voters and I want, a solid well though out plan that can sort of be a road map towards a successful future. All successful businesses have this and the CEO or director that simply tells stockholders and employees what they want to hear without a solid plan that is achievable and makes sense, that person soon finds themselves out pounding the pavement looking for a job. The problem with local government when this happens is the damage caused, on a whole lot of fronts, are very serious and can be very long lasting. With a company, if they are not paying attention, they simply go out of business and while it's serious to the employees and stock holders, the overall effect to the rest of the population is much less. But you already seem to grasp this understanding. Dave Hardesty written by amy , August 07, 2008
Amen to this!
Planning is extreamly important. Empty promises with no demonstrated ability to carry out those promises is the real poison. Next is the "silence" of open transparency or even lack of answers!... I find that unnerving from supporters of their favorite candidates,... still waiting for answers on Keenan from those who may know of this.... which seemed to be intentionally ignored. Will they vote prepared, with full information in mind? I can only hope so. Lessons are learned from the past, take that lesson into the future with you, put don't allow it to hold you back and frozen in time of unresolved issues. I do understand what you are saying, Dave Hardesty. Thanks. -amy Only next election will show me that. written by amy , August 07, 2008
"Blind leading the blind" to the voting booth,locally and nationally?... sure hope not!
-amy written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 08, 2008
Dale, we are in a recession. True. Bring the business and people will come. OK?
I skipped past all other comments for the momemt and will read them asap. Don't worry Tom, we all know what a BIG man Dale Cose is. I still have 4th street on my mind Dale. Never heard whether you straightenend it out or not. hmmm I'd burn it down. written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 08, 2008
amy open transparency. what about isthitrue amy. Yes you apologized but not sure you have an arument here about that anymore.
written by amy , August 08, 2008
I thought MNDC wanted to move on, but still rentless as ever, how disappointing!
... written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 07, 2008 Looks like you could be right fortheunderdog! Committing it to memory and hold it over me. Very disappointing, thought she wanted to move on... "if we let her"? -amy written by amy , August 08, 2008
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written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 07, 2008 How disappointing! -amy written by amy , August 08, 2008
JUST LEAVE ME ALONE MNDC. I prefer to address issues than wallow on personal agendas!!!
-amy written by amy , August 08, 2008
Another one from maybenotadumBcommenT
I already told you I am not going to justify what I did! Another one from her: from Monday Police blotter. I was being transparent with you with the truth? written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 07, 2008 from Monday Police blotter. Obstruct to peace, for sure! Just leave me alone from now on maybenotadumBcomment! -amy written by amy , August 08, 2008
Just stick with the issues and address your concerns without ever addressing to me on any blogs! Got an opinion or information on issues facing your town? Priorities?
-amy written by Dale Cose , August 08, 2008 written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 07, 2008 Put your theory into practice... go ask employers what they want. They would be the ones bringing the jobs. Don't worry Tom, we all know what a BIG man Dale Cose is. I still have 4th street on my mind Dale. Never heard whether you straightenend it out or not. Is that a suggestion or precognition? written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 08, 2008
amy forgot to tell you she pretended to be "isthistrue"( who died monthe ago) and rederred to me as him in a comment. She lied to me and tells me to leave her/him alone. amy a lies. I don't like people that lie. I fight back. Oh thats right I'm not suppose to talk to amy.
written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 08, 2008
Did amy tell you why she took the name,"isthistrue?". So she could be the voise for the elderly. I wonder what kind of advice young amy gave before we knew about this. She did mention that as isthistrue?, "I may be older then you" when she tried to give me advice in the police blotter. Not that he was dead. So what else have you lied about amy. Don't bring a knife to a gun fight amy. I'm still older then you and have had a h*ll of a lot more life experience then you. You can't fake being older. Imagine my surprise when I read the comments this morning not even realizing amy brought a knife here. tsk tsk amy. And please don't have another Temper-tantrum.
written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 08, 2008
amy, what is really funny is you not only quoted me once, claiming not to want to bring it here, but quoted me again! ha ha, I can't take you seriously anymore.
written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 08, 2008
Dale, I was thinking about this article and may have a change of heart. I have to look some stuff up and get back to you. Ya you may be right, I admit.
written by amy , August 08, 2008
Not going to flip flop on any issues, feeling most confident Tracy is heading in the right direction with Green Family Living.
In the short time I lived in Tracy, I have SEEN lots of happenings and I thought it remarkable. After the researches I found it went far back to Bilbrey and Ives was carrying the plan through since Ives was familar with the plans set in motion. Ives being on Ace Board, on Concert in the Park board, and so on. He does other things besides what others accuse him of, 'lurking in the hallways of the city hall, hiding behind puter'... nope.. very busy man besides haggling with developers. -amy PS Am very aware of many who do not like Bilbrey and Ives, but looked at what had been accomplished, what plans were set in motion and so on. Most confident with my researches. Still waiting for the answer on Keenan, though, awfully silent? -amy written by Dale Cose , August 08, 2008 crossposted written by Tom Benigno , August 07, 2008 I apologize for saying, Hi Joyce! and now realize that having many words at my disposal... those are the most despicable and hurtful an individual can write. I promise to never say, Hi Joyce, again no matter how many times she writes things for you. With respect to my pointing out your: -extra-strength shiny foil hats -need for stronger medication -need for an extended stay at the Sunnydale Resort for Happy Living -extraordinarily unsuccessful runs for political office -view of Conservative Republicans -failures that were caused by others back-stabbing you -ability to comment while clueless -special relationship with Mr. McNerney -animosity for Richard Pombo, Ernie Pombo, the Westside Irrigation District, the City Council, City Staff, Dave Hardesty, Steve Wampler, The Tracy Press, Tracy RealNews, the people north of... -ability to see things myopically as only you can -calling a politician corrupt without cited evidence -making up facts or figures -inability to look up the spelling of people's names -whine about how bad things are for you... or life for all -penchant for finding the negative side of every issue -problem solving abilities -need to criticize someone for something you do I respectfully say... Life comes at you fast written by amy , August 08, 2008
When I first logged on, thought some were bullies, but seeing the whole scenario, and being attacked by obstructs, my views have certainly changed, the obstructs are really the bullies.
NO wonder the frustration level is high among the people who wanted better for Tracy and Tracyites. Obstructs are just too much of an hindrance for any progress in my view. I can understand Dale Cose, Dave Hardesty, Tracy RealNews and so on...that their level of frustration must be high, poor folks who try so hard to better the future of Tracy. I felt that frustration too.. when people disagree and spread untruths based on hearsays! Hence "blind leading the blind". Good job guys keeping the course for Tracy! -amy written by Tom Benigno , August 08, 2008
To whom it may concern:
Dale your crossposted post won't work. When I respond your words are moot. Joyce does not write for me. Although if she ever sees you, you will know a womens scorn. I will not bite into your level of harassment you use. When your out of business and on the street, I will spit on you. Please don't call yourself conservative Republican, I don't want you in my party, you use the party like a spare tire as you use God. t. b t. b written by Tom Benigno , August 08, 2008
To whom it may concern:
Dale let those you have mentioned in your list speak for themselves. It's none of your business. Just concern yourself with how long you will last, you are like a castrated dog. You don't know which way to go. t. b written by Dale Cose , August 08, 2008 written by Tom Benigno , August 08, 2008 Would'nt be my While I staunchly support leftist congressman Jerry McNerney, Please don't call yourself conservative Republican, I don't want you in my party. because Pete McCloskey, McNerney, and are me are remaking it into the Republican Blueblood Party whose slogan is With nothing right to do, we're left bleeding blue for you. written by Dale Cose , August 08, 2008 written by amy , August 08, 2008 The frustrated people think emotion is an adequate substitute for logical thought. The development/construction/permit approval/leasing businesses dictate patience. People here read all sides, get additional information from various sources, can ask questions, process it... and then come to conclusions. Reasoned thoughts are entitled to a reasoned response. written by amy , August 08, 2008
Right!
Plans take time, people to contact, engineers to contact, contractors to contact, accountants to contact, and the list just goes on on the agenda of formulating and solidfying plans for the future of Tracy! So the moment of time in planning, no immediate results seen, should not be confused with "inactivity". Saw lots of activities (based on researches) on basis of pulling plans together, such as the Bow Tie, which took 8+ years of planning.. way back to Bilbrey... results are being seen after the groupings of all required people and businesses and state officials, and Pacific Rail to accomplish what is happening at the Bow Tie. The researches and plannings conducted by others who supported Holly site for Sports Park and Wetlands! (Great idea Ornellas!) took some months on the supporter's part. I support Holly, Bow Tie, Green Village Living, Music in the Parks, Movies in the Park, all points to Green Living in my view. Planning does not happen overnight, just wished the people would see it just does not work that way. It takes time to accomplish things! I think Ives did pretty well in seeing the shape take place in Tracy. I support his plans so far. Although I am not there to vote, but I do like the direction Tracy is going now. Then there would be more developments later on around the city of Tracy... to fit in the theme of Green Family Living in Tracy. I support the argument that the Courthouse is better grouped with the other government building or at least placed at Chrisman with the "campus" if it goes through. I think Tracy is a neat town, holding many promises for Tracyites! Revenues generated by these parks, will help to improve on crime, too, which is my hope. Thanks. -amy written by Tom Benigno , August 08, 2008
To whom it may concern:
Amy: I'm really surprised that you of all people have, taken a stand with these village idiots. I start talking about the subject at hand, on the title of the story and when I give my response these Pit Bulls come on line. That is when they begin to attack and change the direction of the subject at hand. Cose stated on his last comment that the folks of Tracy are frustrated, he creates the frustration and bickering. The Tracy Press is eating it up. Make sure you know who and what you support. t. b written by Malcolm , August 08, 2008
Oh do go on Amy. What we be green about 9,350 homes on the farthest edge of the City? That would be SPRAWL Amy, and that is the top priority of Bilbrey, Ives, Tolbert. Tracy Hills (5,500) Ellis (2,250) plus 1,600 whereabouts unknown. That is automobile dependent SPRAWL. Ellis development agreement has no requirements for green building.
When I read you posts now I see the strategy all along was for you to be a turncoat for the status quo. Get your head out of the sand or wherever it is. written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 08, 2008
Malcolm, do I really have to do research? I don't feel like it. I felt I was somewhat on the right path. I apologize to Dale for my obvious nasty comment. We have so many foreclosed home. Some practically brand new. realty.com has info on them. When a mojaority of those are bought and IF people want to come to Tracy then build Homes. We can start stacking them like in New York City. Go up instead of out.
written by Malcolm , August 08, 2008
MNDC,
I'm really curious about your comments about Amy.... How did you know she was the one impersonating isittrue? written by Dale Cose , August 08, 2008 written by Tom Benigno , August 08, 2008 My comment, "The frustrated people think emotion is an adequate substitute for logical thought" If your interpretation of my comment is as you say... a box of rocks does your I.Q. justice. written by Malcolm , August 08, 2008 Tom, your twinner comments. written by Dave Hardesty , August 08, 2008
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written by Malcolm , August 08, 2008 Oh do go on Amy. What we be green about 9,350 homes on the farthest edge of the City? That would be SPRAWL Amy, and that is the top priority of Bilbrey, Ives, Tolbert. Tracy Hills (5,500) Ellis (2,250) plus 1,600 whereabouts unknown. That is automobile dependent SPRAWL. Ellis development agreement has no requirements for green building." Two thing here. 1. Drive south on Tracy Blvd to the subdivision that has the Salt Block houses in it. I forget the name of the subdivision but there is a school right behind it to the west. That subdivision, when it was built, was "on the farthest edge of the City" and preceeded all of the houses built between there and the railroad tracks to the North that at one time was the southern edge of the City Limits. My thought is that apparently someone had some future vision when they built there as it's now solid housing from the bow tie railroad tracks on Tracy Blvd. to the railroad tracks just north of the airport. Were you or would you have been against that development going in? 2. You keep mentioning 9,350 homes, as yet unbuilt because the subdivisions for them have not yet been approved. But for some reason no one seems to be mentioning the attempt to fast track the some 8,000 homes/high density residential units on the Alvarez property, as yet unbuilt because that division hasn't even been submitted, much less approved. Why all the concentrated efforts against the developers to the south and nothing mentioned about the developer to the east and the automobile dependant sprawl is virtually the same measuring from the point where the southern tracks of the bow-tie area cross Tracy Blvd and does not have quick easy access to 580? I am really trying to figure out all of the logic in this thinking. Thanks Dave Hardesty written by Malcolm , August 08, 2008
I guess you must not be actually reading what I have written Dave because I have said on numerous occasions that I oppose 8,000 more homes no matter where they are. TP has never confirmed it was 8,000 homes or 800 homes. If it was 800 of concentric then I would prefer that to 9,350 SPRAWL. I don't know what it was do you?
As far as Fairhaven, it was poor planning and it was sprawl at the time. I didn't live in Tracy then so I don't know the history of that. written by maybenotdumBcommenT , August 08, 2008
Malcolm, the answer is in the Police blotter on Aug 1. Go to Aug 4th and that was when amy pretended to be isthistrue? She admitted it to me.
written by Malcolm , August 08, 2008
Thanks MNDC, I read the back and forth dialogue, pretty interesting on Amy. That the only person that knows her real identity is Francis "Skippy" Hineman who is the webmaster of a website he set up for the Tracy Sports Park. And now the Administrator of that site is listed as Ubbo. What is this "six degrees of separation"? Equally interesting how Amy talks about monikers and is even using a deceased person's moniker "isthistrue" supposedly with the family's permission. Amy selectively chastizes certain bloggers for being harsh and not "kind". But not Skippy who before the TP required signing in for posting had at least a tho |
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Mr. Doherty you are either a smart man or a starving attorney. Thank you for your very clear appraisel of the situation. We are all going down the drain.
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