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| Thursday, 15 May 2008 | |
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 Jewelle Gomez, right, holds back tears after she and her partner of 16 years Diane Sabin, left, heard the Supreme Court decision on same sex marriages outside the court house in San Francisco, Calif., on Thursday, May 15, 2008. (AP Photo/ Tony Avelar) But opponents vowed to work even harder to convince voters this November to change the state’s constitution to ban same-sex marriage, and said they will work to postpone the weight of the decision until after the ballots are cast. The ruling makes California the second state, after Massachusetts, to legally recognize gay marriage. In its 4-3 ruling, the Republican-dominated high court struck down state laws against same-sex marriage and said domestic partnerships that provide many of the rights and benefits of matrimony are not enough.“I think it’s demonstrating that inch by inch we’re progressing and people aren’t nearly as fearful as they once were about what that means, gay marriage,” said Tracy’s Jack Elliott, 54, an openly gay ordained minister, human resources consultant and local business owner. The ruling, assuming it’s not overridden by voters, opens up new possibilities previously reserved for heterosexual couples. “I’m really happy that everyone who wanted to get married can now do it,” said Daniel Hadley, 19, an openly gay West High graduate and Las Positas college student. The California ruling is considered monumental by virtue of the state's size — California counts 38 million residents out of a U.S. population of 302 million — and its historic role in the vanguard of the many social and cultural changes that have swept the country since World War II. California has an estimated 92,000 same-sex couples. "It's about human dignity. It's about human rights. It's about time in California," San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, pumping his fist in the air, told a roaring crowd at City Hall. "As California goes, so goes the rest of the nation. It's inevitable. This door's wide open now. It's going to happen, whether you like it or not." Unlike Massachusetts, California has no residency requirement for obtaining a marriage license, meaning gays from around the country are likely to flock to the state to be wed, said Jennifer Pizer, a gay-rights attorney who worked on the case. The ultimate reach of the ruling could be limited, however, since most states do not recognize gay marriages performed elsewhere. Nor does the federal government. The conservative Alliance Defense Fund said it would ask the justices for a stay of the decision until after the fall election in hopes of adding California to the list of 26 states that have approved constitutional amendments banning same-sex marriage. "We're obviously very disappointed in the decision," said Glen Lavy, senior counsel for the organization. "The remedy is a constitutional amendment. The constitution defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman." Randy Thomasson of VoteYesMarriage.com, a Web site of a campaign to amend the California Constitution to ban gay marriage, said the decision was in effect telling children that they have a "new role model — homosexual marriage, aspire to it." "This is a disaster," he said. But West High graduate Haldey said that those fighting against gay marriage “are starting to realize, that one, we’re not going to give up; and two, you’re fighting for an unjust cause." Opponents of gay marriage could also ask the high court to reconsider. If the court rejects such a request, same-sex couples could start getting married in 30 days, the time it typically takes for the justices' opinions to become final. The justices said they would direct state officials "to take all actions necessary to effectuate our ruling," including requiring county marriage clerks to carry out their duties "in a manner consistent with" the court's decision. The case was set in motion in 2004 when the mayor of San Francisco — the unofficial capital of gay America — threw City Hall open to gay couples to get married in a calculated challenge to California law. Four thousand gay couples wed before the Supreme Court put a halt to the practice after a month. Two dozen gay couples then sued, along with the city of San Francisco and gay rights organizations. Thursday's ruling could alter the dynamics of the presidential race as well as state and congressional contests in California and beyond by causing a backlash among conservatives and drawing them to the polls in large numbers. A spokesman for Republican Sen. John McCain, who opposes gay marriage, said the Arizona senator "doesn't believe judges should be making these decisions." The campaigns of Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton said they believe that the issue of marriage should be left to the states. • The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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In the picture I wonder if the chick or dude in the suit is the pitcher. The catcher looks like she is crying. Wtf kindof hairdois that!
See what columnist Jon Mendelson has to say about the court's recent ruling:
http://jmendelson05.blogspot.com/
As a straight, Republican female, I applaud this decision. Today, my sister has no legal rights to her own children. Next month her and her partner can marry and have the same rights as my husband and I. It's about freakin' time. No one should be allowed to prevent two people who love each other from getting married.
How do gay people justify themselvs? I dont get it. Im not trying to be a jerk. If homo is ok, then why does it take a man and woman to make baby. it seems clear to me....... please enlighten me........ I am not a jerk, I am just wondering....
In every disucssion revolving around this issue, there is never any mention of concern about the stable, psychological development of children. In my opinion, children in any society that are dealing with the everyday issues of growing up do not need more issues to be confused about. Give Gay's in "Civil Unions" the same legal rights as straight married couples, but leave "Marriage" alone.
This is a sad day for California. Bending to the will of a deviant minority. Marriage was created to legitimize and protect children. Homosexuals cannot have children of their own together so they have no need to be married. I'm with Citizen Kane on this issue. There are too many confused children as it is. Just go to any local high school and you will see too many teens confused about their sexuality.
I am really suprised that TP has not blocked the Dale Cose wannabe from this site.. Making statements regarding gay couples not being able to produce children is a bunch of bull. What about straight couple who can't conceive, should they not have the right to marry! I think you morons should come up with something better then that. You do know that all animals have those that are attracted to the same sex. Its the children that have parents that are so closed minded that are confused. I have several gay friends who parent children and their kids are so mentally healthy and very happy. Its the homophobics that create a problem for them. Everyone has a right to their opinion but one things for sure, homosexuality has been around for a long time, and nothing you do will ever change it so why not try to understand and except it.
It's about TIME! California is a trend setter as Gavin said and we can only progress in our values and path for equality! The L.G.B.T community deserves to be granted the same rights as their heterosexual neighbors and it's finally happened.
This day is why I am proud to live in California! Its more then just gay marriage, its about family and now more people being able to create that sence in their households. Those who oppose such a thing are the same that opposed bi-racial marriage and really should re-evaluate why their here on earth? Maybe Texas matches your personality, Because ya know our President has done sooooo much good! right? haha please! Its about equality!
Just my very opinion, how do you raise a child understanding his/her own gender under same partner marriage? I don't think it is the ideal situation for the child to be in, just too confusing and may do disservice to the child or on the other side of the coin,perhaps, the child will develop extreme tolerance for every society.
Maybe, I will never understand their choice of lifestyle since I have never been in their shoes. If I were the child,I would WANT to bring my friends home to "traditional household with good traditional parental friends for extended "role models". I had the good fortune to be impressed by many fine adults while growing up. Being from traditional household, and living the traditional life.... their idea of marriage and child rearing is worlds away from mine. It is their choice. They carry that choice with them everyday of their lives. They are still people.
I have nothing against gays but this is bull. If you cannot procreate "normally" then you have no right to get married.
First I would like to say that I am very happy about the latest turn in History. Finally I can marry my partner and share the benefits that Hetro couples do. Please let me enlighten some of you who are clueless about homsexuality...first, it is NOT a choice, this is the way we were born. Personnally if this was a choice, I would not choose it! But, here I am and I have to deal with it. I am finally comfortable in my own skin in being who I am and how God created me. I am in an extremely happy healthy relationship, and we are rasing a happy healthy child together. You see, our relationship other than being of the same sex, is not different than what Amy descibes as a "traditional household and life" My daughter is proud of her parents and has no problem bringing friends home.
I grew up around the gay lifestyle. It's no different. I am straight, been married 22 years and have three adult kids. My babies know it is now their life and they have the right to live the way they choose. All I care about is that their partner makes them happy. BTW my kids are attracted to the opposite sex or what you might call live the TRADITIONAL lifestyle but they certainly respect anyone who chooses differently. They have no hangups. Its funny the only people who seem confused are those who don't want to understand or accept it. And Dog your statement was contradicting (I have nothing against gays but....). A marriage is a personal union between individuals, everyone should have the right to marriage!
The world I came from could be only called traditional since it is the only definition I have for that. Their alternate lifestyle world is just gaining more recognization, gaining rights and respect in the work place....
The unfamiliarity of it will be broken when more information comes out, I spoke with the understanding of the world where I came from. Like I said to the effect, "on the other side of the coin, the (alternate lifestyle parents') child will develop extreme tolerance for every society," now, that is not said in the negative sense. We have patients who live the life, yes, they made a choice to come out in the open, choices to keep silent or be in the open and talk about it is the choice I am talking about. So far all of the patients who live the alternate as well as traditional are wonderful people, alternate and traditional have adopted children. Did not have the opportunity outside of my to share my questions and thoughts with them to better understand them as people. Not allowed in my line of work. Just gender and we still have to draw their blood. Like everybody, they bleed, too. -amy
Why does the media always focus on the crazy looking gays? I agree with wtf kind of hair do is that?? It is the same with the Freedom parade, the media always focuses on the real femmy guys or butch women. If you saw me you'd never know I was gay.
i THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET MARRIED BUT SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO USE THE SAME I DO'S AS A MAN AND A WOMEN, THATS HOW I FEEL
Dog, you say "if you can't proceate normally you have no right to be married." Now tell us why. Marriage has become a strong legal and economic institution, and people benefit from this. We are in the process of determining a "right" for a group of people in this country. Who says marriage is about procreation? Please do not appeal to god for justification because he (?) has never said anything about it (he hasn't said anything about anything, really).
Gays cannot continue the human race. If every one was gay our species would become extinct. Thats one thing in their favor - population control.
Californian's passed Proposition 22 in 1990 where the will of the people said marriage is between one man and one woman. The courts have over ruled the will of the people of California. This is a sad time in California's history.
Look around DOG you may just be surprised at some of the beatiful women out there who are gay...I'm one of them. Not all are ugly.
I'm not going to get into the whole moral argument because I don't feel like arguing all day about this, but I am very upset about the fact that a handful of people can simply wave their wand and disregard the will of the majority. If its rights and financial benefits that are being asked for then ok it’s done. Why smack the people of California in the face when they have clearly stated their desire through a legitimate vote. If this is going to be the case then why even vote??? How does this represent democracy???
Come on now.... The human race extinct? How do you think some gay women get pregnant... You can't be that nieve, its called artificial insemination. Dog, like others you have no clue who is gay and who isn't. Look up lipstick lesbians and maybe your stereotype perception will change. Can't someone come up with a more intelligent reason why same sex marriage is wrong. I'd say NOT!
I just want to comment on a quote written by "Happy about this" that reads "Please let me enlighten some of you who are clueless about homsexuality...first, it is NOT a choice, this is the way we were born" A lot of people are born with afflictions. A lot of people are born where they are more prone to certain things like homosexuality, alcoholism, certain addictions etc. It's how you choose to deal with those afflictions that matters. Humans are not meant to be sexually involved with the same sex even if you were born with the attraction for it. You obviously cannot change the fact that you have an attraction for the same sex, but you have a choice whether you act upon it or not. If you are a Christian you know that there are many things that we do that we shouldn't. God IS graceful and He will forgive you. No sin is bigger than any other in His eyes. But, it doesn' t mean that we go out and sin on purpose and chalk it up to "That's how I am" Everyday we must set out to live the best life we can. We must strive to live a life without sin. If you have an affliction toward a sinful life, which we all do, you must repent and find what direction God would have go in.
Oh how it nust feel to be a "perfect" Christian. Practice what you preach...love and equality for all - you are a bunch of martyrs
CONGRATULATIONS!! THIS IS A HUGE STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND I AM VERY HAPPY FOR EVERYONE WHO NOW CAN GET MARRIED TO THE ONE THEY LOVE LIKE MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE DONE. FOR ANYONE WHO HAS ANYTHING NEGATIVE TO SAY, WE SHOULD ALL FEEL BAD FOR THEM. THEY ARE IGGNORANT AND WILL NEVER BE HAPPY IN THEIR OWN LIVES.
Indeed, My Opinion, homosexuals are not born with their same-sex attraction. It's a very complicated issue: Homosexuals don't choose their same-sex attraction but neither are they born with their same-sex attraction.
The fact that there isn't a single credible scientist who thinks homosexuals are born with their same-sex attraction and the additional fact of the growing number of ex-homosexuals adds some interesting fodder to the discussion. What do the studies say about from where same-sex attraction comes? Every study and every credible scientist will tell you environment plays a large role in same-sex attraction. And now we have judges over-ruling the will of the people on an issue that has no basis in science.
Bert - you are clueless I come a very hetro family and knew no other homos in my life. I had my 1st attraction to the same sex at age 13. There is definately a genetic connection. If you don't live it, don't preach it!
To: "And This is My Opinion" Was there anything unloving about what I said? I don't hate or even dislike homosexuals. I don't approve of their choices. But I don't approve of an alcoholic who refuses to seek help either or a person who commits adultery. I don't condone their actions, but I certainly have friends who have committed all sorts of sins.
Homosexuals have the same right as anyone else...to marry the opposite sex like everyone else. If they don't want to marry the opposite sex they have the right to stay single like everyone else. They have the right to seek health, life, home, car insurance like everyone else. As single people they can adopt, buy a house, own a car just like everyone else. That sounds equal to me.
Just go to any local high school and you will see too many teens confused about their sexuality.
ohhh please the majority of the teens at our local high schools now more about their sexuality then you or i did at their age and while some are straight some are gay some are virgins an some are not some have watched enough tv with or without their parents that they see that its ok to "experiment" on if they are intrested in same or oppiste sex. But believe me when i say the majority of them are not confused, and if they seem that way to you then your eyes must be closed.
Well, And this is my opinion, if you're so sure of your position then by all means, find a credible scientist that supports your statement. You'll soon find you cannot support your statement.
There is no genetic test or procedure (experimental or otherwise) that can determine one's sexual orientation. When people claim to be gay and we believe them, what we're really doing is taking them at their word. We believe their claim, we believe their testimony and we believe their declaration that they are gay.
But there are some people who are suddenly skeptical when one claims to be ex-gay. They don't believe the ex-gay claim, they don't believe the ex-gay testimony nor their declaration that they are ex-gay. When somebody uses a certain standard to measure the credibility of what one group says, but then refuses to use the same standard to measure the credibility of what another group says--thereby ignoring the claims of the second group (ex-gays)--he should ask himself why he believes one group and not the other... This is a double standard.
To: And this is my opinion,
You said I was clueless but all you offered was a single anecdotal case. You also said: "There is definately a genetic connection." This a complex subject so let's make it simple... I ask you, what is that genetic connection that you claim definitely exists. We can agree to disagree but if you're going to make statements about the science surrounding homosexuality then you should support your statements with a reference to a study or a scientist that supports your statement. As you dig into the science you'll soon find that environment plays a major factor in same sex attraction. You should check out the work of Dean Hamer and Simon LeVay. Both are brilliant scientists who also happen to be gay. Both will tell you the environment or psychosocial factors are key.
I cannot believe that a few judges get to wave their wands as someone else put it and change the obvious will of the Californian people!! What a smack in the face to the overwhelming majority of people in this state. This has been voted on already, and should never have been given to a handful of judges to decide. It is not their place, or their right!! If you read the article, there are 38 million people in California...MILLION!! Only 92,000 same sex couples, less than 100,000. We are ammending the constitution to please a very, very, very small minority of people in this state when you look at the big picture. I'm just blown over backwards at that thought. Marriage has always been defined as one man, one woman. What's next, legalizing polygamy, etc.?? I shudder to think of the future challenges that will arise from whatever "group" thinks things should be their way or no way at all. If this were how marriage was defined, it would have always been that way. It's not and never has been. I don't believe at all that people are "born" gay, I do bevieve it is a choice. You choose the lifestyle, you choose the consequences. To each his own, but hey, don't redefine what family is to me! I don't speak of this blindly either....
cont'd....I have gay relatives, I love them very much, but I'll never agree with their lifestyle. It's been the source of more than one argument, and one of those relatives is the reason my dad had to raise us on his own as a single parent. THAT is how it works in most households when you redefine marriage. Families are the building block in our society. It's precisely that reason, the disintigration of family through the divorce rates, redefining family, etc, that you see all these confused chidren, or children that act out. In a HUGE percent of cases it's because of an unstable home environment!! People need to wake up to that fact. There are certain situations where obviously things have to be as they are, and I have total respect for many single parents out there. My dad raised us alone. But divorce has taken on a new meaning nowadays too, as people use marriage as a "trial" and then split if it doesn't work. Divorce rates are the highest they've ever been in history. Sadly, with the very rare exception, most gay relationships don't last, and that's just a fact. Like it or not. What happens to kids then? Confused and split? More broken homes? I feel for the poor kids, I really do. Gosh....I'm just stunned.
Unbelievable.... Most gay relationships don't last? Where did you get those facts? I do agree that gay people are a minority but I believe your figures of 92000 is very low. Who cares if they are the minority anyways. They still deserve equal rights as United States Citizens just as you have the right to disagree with their lifestyle. Tell me the real reason your so opposed. They are no threat to you! Is it because someone in your past hurt you and now you have a grudge? There will always be problems within marriage whether they are straight, gay, bi, white, red or black. As for kids being confused, I believe that responsibility lies on their parents.
 To: Unbelievable Indeed, it is important to let gay relatives, friends and acquaintances know you care for them even though you may disagree with how they live their life. Disagreeing with how somebody lives their life doesn't mean you don't care for them and often means you greatly care for them. It's sad that some believe disagreement means a lack of care or love for any individual. 
The Bible is very clear in what it says about this sin-filled lifestyle. In fact, if you look at the only times God obliterated mankind in the Bible (leaving a few chosen, hint:Noah) it was directly due to men having sex with men and women having sex with women. Do you see the trend? You may think it is okay to be gay because it's who you are but God created you to be heterosexual and your sin has blinded you to the truth. Quit living to edify yourselves but rather turn and choose to edify the creator of this universe, Jesus Christ. I will continue to pray for you all, I still love you all, I just don't agree with your decisions. I also recognize my sin but can say that I accept HIS forgiveness. Please, accept the forgiveness HE has offered to you.
This decision takes effect in 30 days. By then, someone or some group will have filed a motion with the courts appealing this ruling only to have its start up postponed.
Although I disagree with the lifestyle, if it floats your boat....
Someone else has been posting using my name.
My opinion is that people choose to be conservative Republicians and consrvative Christians. With prayer and God's leading we might be able to make them sraight.
Don't Ask Don't Tell. That should be a law. Go back to your closets where you belong. The only reason people are gay is to have sex with the same sex. It has NOTHING to do with "Love".
Dog you are so full of it! Its obvious you have no idea about what you speak. Its not always about the sex, its about companionship, friendship and communication. How many people say they don't understand the opposite sex? Same sex can relate better to their partner. And dude don't denie that you as well as most straight guys say they get turned on by two women together. Double standards! Maybe you should hide in your closet because it appears your not ready for the real world.
The "real world" functioned just fine for centuries with gays staying in the closet. FYI - my wife has two gay sisters so don't tell me that I don't know what I am talking about. As far as two women having sex together is just that - having sex and not necessarily being gay.
I have male "friendships" and we "communicate" by talking and not by gay sex but I do not want to sex with them. Being ga y is nothing but having sex with the same sex. Prove me otherwise. So far you haven't.
Dog, would (sex)not be the same for you and your wife? Or did you marry her for other reasons? The real world functioned fine without a lot of things but things change and sometimes for the better
. What, two women having sex isn't necessarily being gay!!! What happened to your statement (The only reason people are gay is to have sex with the same sex). Makes a lot of sense... Who knows maybe you secretly do want more from your friends since you think gay people should remain in the closet (in denial hummmmmmm). I ask again, tell me what harm is it to you whether a persons gay or not? So far you haven't!!! I will be waiting for your reply.
I am a gay woman, and not in my relationship to have sex with her. I love this woman for many reasons, which go deeper than just having sex.
I guess I'm just coming in from an already heated discussion. My 2 cent will not be worth much but will throw it out there to everyone.
First off it started from the beginning with Adam and Eve..umm not Adam and Steve.... ok that was just and ice breaker for all..
From what I gather from each and everyone of you, there were some good points that had been said but others are blind to it. I know people I work with, friends, that have alternative life styles. I have no problem what they choose. I choose women, yet the choose the opposite sex, whether its a turn on, experiment gone good or gone bad. Whatever, the body of a women is made to perceive and the body of a male is to assist.
1. Can we agree that the women's body is made to carry a baby. 2. Can we agree that the man needs to be in this equation to make this happen. You see…this is where a lot of people are so blind to this. We need to answered this question first. I saw a posting about this this question posted here and that person said that woman can get pregnant with artificial insertion. Again you still need the male to make this happen. So assuming, for the sake of arguments, man and woman are needed to make a baby. Before medicine, dna, artificial insertion, this was the normal breeding of the human race. Can someone tell me that this is not normal? Tell me what they did back in the A.D. years for the dinosaurs? How about the roman years? How about 1300 BC? Babies come from the women born from the women, with the assistance of the man.
So in theory, this was the normal thing to do to breed the human race. A man and a woman. Can someone correct me? I'm not trying to start a debate, I'm merely trying to have everyone here to actually sit down, leave whatever you were told to believe on the backburner and just think about this simple theory. Someone actually told me in high school once that gay people (man and women) are a race. I looked at him with a confuses look and told him "no your not…you need to breed to be a race"
www.webster.com Main Entry: 3race Function: noun Etymology: Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza Date: 1580 1: a breeding stock of animals2 a: a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b: a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics3 a: an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group b: breed c: a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits4obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition5: distinctive flavor, taste, or strength
If it true than another confusion begins..
One states that you were born with it, One states that you were not accepted with your peers and takes acceptance to whoever comforts you. Once states that you can be abused into it Once states that it’s the pure excitement and the lust, Once states that being with a women is better than being with a man, for the reasons that women understand each other from emotional to sexual pleasure, and does not need to deal with their manly ego. The same goes with the man, for the reason they don’t have to deal with the ups and down with a women's roller coaster ride, guys know guys when it come down to emotional and sexual pleasure. I like salad with blue cheese, you might not, I like gray, you might like yellow, I'm attracted to women, your are attracted to the opposite sex. I feel that marriage should be destine, reserve for those who breeds normally to ensure the existence of one race, the Human race, not the gay race.
Well if first came Adam and Eve, along the line came Pete and Steve or Nancy and Sue. Homosexuallity has been around since the beginning of the human race. We all know it takes an egg and sperm to create a life! Maybe its just me but the last thing I would worry about is breeding normal to ensure the existence of one race. I just don't ever seeing that as a problem. Yes, some animals become extinct but a lot of that has to do with the human race. So what do you think about a married man and woman who can't conceive? Are they normal? Do they have the right to marriage? Hey, maybe it did not begin with Adam and Steve because god knew men are big babies and never would be able to handle being pregnant therefore creating Eve.
To those kind souls like "Jesus is coming..." you might wish to read the prophets who condemned those who wage war like the current Southern Methodist in the White House. You might note that Jesus, who had every opportunity, does not condemn either homoexuality or adultery but gets really angry at the conservative Pharisees who are so judgemental. And, you might ask yourself how you are doing on not eating pork. I'll wait.
A father watched his young daughter playing in the garden on their Wyoming ranch. He smiled as he reflected on how sweet and pure his little girl was. He thought about her seeing the wonders of nature through such innocent eyes. Suddenly she just stopped and stared at the ground. He went over to her to see what work of God had captured her attention. He noticed she was looking at two spiders mating.
'Daddy, what are those two spiders doing?' she asked. 'They're mating,' her father replied. 'What do you call the spider on top?' she asked. 'That's a Daddy Longlegs,' her father answered. 'So, the other one is a Mommy Longlegs?' the little girl asked. As his heart soared with the joy of such a cute and innocent question, he replied 'No dear. Both of them are Daddy Longlegs.' The little girl, looking a little puzzled, thought for a moment, then took her foot and stomped them flat and said, 'Well, we're not having any of that Brokeback-Mountain s**t in our garden.'
So what happens if a gay couple gets married, has kids via adoption or other means and then decides to diviorce. In todays society the male in a hetrosexual relationship usually(but not always) bears the financial responsability for the children,alimony, etc,etc. How will the courts determine who wears the pants and who wears the skirt when its time to split up?
I'm not trying to be a smart ass. I just don't know. Does anybody out there know?
On a serious note, my dialog was more of a general census. I would hate to go into details for there are lots to talk about. But there should be a simple solution for both lifestyle. But one needs to agree that its starts with one women, one male. Not going into religion nor going into science nor evolution. I'm talking about common sense theory. True the Gay lifestyle has been around for a long time, as you may say "since the human race" but if not for the interaction between the women and men the human race would not exist. Does this make sense?
Again we need to first agree on one thing. We need to start a ground base here before we enter the more detail debatable argument. If not, our argument is useless to each other. We recklessly say things, argue out of emotion rather than common sense. To what base are we arguing? What base are these debatable? If a man were meant to be with a man with what reproductive system that we inherit or have, the human race ends there. The same goes if a woman were meant to be with a woman with what reproductive system that they inherit or have, the human race ends there. Women and men exist because of the interaction between a women and men…plain and simple right?
If I were a gay person, I certainly would not want this picture to represent me. Why is it that so many gays look like freaks?? I didn't say all, so don't start firing on me... I just don't understand how the "freak looking" ones can expect anyone to take them seriously.
We all know that if it weren't for man and woman there would be no human race. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! What is your point. There is no what if... Reality is we have man attracted to woman, man to man and woman to woman. Your debate is ridiculous. Just admit it, the unfortunate ones who discriminate against homosexuality do so because they were trained or brainwashed to think that way. If you can learn to open up your heart and embrace those who are good no matter what their differences are, you probably would be a much happier person and maybe create a much better environment in which we live. Does no one on this forum have an answer to my prior question? Why are you so threatened by homosexuality!!!!????? I would think this to be easy to those so adamantly against it.
You know trully in your hearts whether or not your living a life for God. so if you are not you lay down at night and go to bed and you either feel ashamed or confused. or you ignore both of those feelings and blame them on saying i was born like this, theres nothing i can do. those are excuses or you can cover that up to and say that your not wrong and then point the finger and say this is how God created me. God did not create you to be ahshamed or to feel confused. A marrriage is between a man and a women. There is no shameful or confused thing about that. Neither was there when the constitution defined this as well.Ask Jesus to show you your self and he will and he can set you free.Are you willing not to wear a mask. A mask that can cover hurt, shame, or even someone who may have hurt you in the past and now your like this, or even someone who may have influenced you. Let me tell you Jesus can take away all of that, take off your mask ad be free.
Why does someone always bring Jesus into every gay-related topic? I'm not gay, don't support the lifestyle and would be very upset if my kids turned out gay, but these are opinions that were reached by my own free thinking, not by the screwball teaching of some tabloid that worships some 2,000-year-old zombie (the bible).
Jesus f'n Christ! Get a clue, people. God is make believe.
This is just one more instance of rule in CA by judicial fiat and fascism. The voters vote, & the courts do whatever they want. What every happened to the "gov't for the people, of the people & by the people"? I'll tell you,the judical branch flushed it down the toilet! Basically, the courts can do absoulutely anything they want. They make both the state & federal constitutions nothing more than a worthless scrap of paper as they twist it's meaning & make up "rights" out of thin air. With idiots like this runing our country, who needs Al Queda & the terrorists to destroy it? We are allowing the judicial branch to do it free of charge!
Just because gay couples raise kids it does not mean they will raise them to be gay. And if they do its no big deal. People have the right to choose which way they would like to love and in the end thats all it is, is having the right to love who they want to. First inner racial couple got the same beef and now gay couples get the beef. Let it be, you may not support it or agree with it but in the end its their life not yours. And as far as people being confused at a young age about their sexuality, that will never change and shouldnt. It helps them become stronger and grow to who they really are. I dont think this issue should be even held in the government at all. Its a waiste of time, focus on our economy and let people who want to get married get married.
who are we as people to place judgement on gays.we are all gods childern and and in some way have all sined.and when the time comes we will then be jugded.and until then let all be happy do what you fell.people have aright to love who they chose and only god can say if it's right or wrong. [married with kids]
Just on more thought... Congratulation to Happy about this! Can I come to the wedding? Wish you the best..
This disgust me.Ok if same sex people can get married in this country then that means I can get married to a box of cereal or a animal what’s the difference!?! Its all messed up! You all Know God created marriage between man and woman. I don’t care if you believe or not. But when you die I will feel sorry for you. I am through, Good day!
why cant anyone who opposes same-sex marriage tell us how this effects them personally?
i can tell you one way that this effects me. THE ECONOMY. to put it simple: same-sex marriages = weddings weddings = business for caterers, florists, jewelers etc more business = more jobs more jobs = better economy think about the amount of money coming in from the same-sex couples relocating to CA just to be recognized as equals. imagine how having a happy employee who knows that his/her family is being taken care of will boost job production. some of you act as if gay people are a bunch of sexual predators out to screw us all. This content has been locked. You can no longer post any comment.
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It'd be news if local gays didn't applaud the ruling. Doy.