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Written by Tracy Press staff   
Wednesday, 14 May 2008

 
Planning commissioners mull over voluminous environmental report on the Surland housing project and water park.


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Rendering of the proposed neighborhood. Press file.
Consultants and city engineers minutely detailed tonight for its second public hearing the environmental-impact report for the Ellis project, a 300-acre housing development planned for southwest Tracy.

The hearing was presented at the Tracy Planning Commission, but no action was taken.

The public has another month to expect written responses from city officials to any concerns before the public comment period expires June 14.

The environmental review found that construction of the 2,250 homes planned for The Surland Cos.’ housing development and water park would create noise, traffic and air pollution. It could also force Pacific Gas and Electric Co. to replace two natural gas pipelines, unless development wrapped around it.

But the commissioners had little to say about the environmental review except that they needed more time to study it. Thousands of pages of documents outlining both the specific plan and the review for the Ellis project had chairman Pete Mitracos worried that the public and the board had too little time to digest the information presented.

He asked that city engineers repeat the presentation at the June 11 commission meeting, when he said he’d be more prepared.

“We’re part-timers here; we’re volunteers, and we’re not experts,” he said. “All we want is more time.”

But Tracy residents who commented expressed the opposite sentiment — that getting a water park built, which is contingent on progress of the Ellis project, can’t come soon enough.

Engineers assured Mitracos that everyone can provide input until August, when amendments to the developer agreement are up for approval.

Mitracos also asked whether the water park was too expensive for Tracy to maintain after it’s built.

Before getting to the environmental review, Surland owner Les Serpa, some private consultants and city staff went over the developer agreement and suggested design of the development.

City Council candidate Larry Gamino said he was disappointed to see the architectural style was so European and unreflective of Tracy’s history.

“It’s historical amnesia,” he told the commission, “that there’s this absence of (influence) of native tribes, like the Tuolumne.”

Also up for public hearing tonight was a request from the owners of Tracy Gateway, a proposed business park, for a five-year construction delay on a nine-hole golf course and a 200-room hotel. The owners also asked if the contract could be changed so they could have retail space built before 200,000 square feet of office space.

The commission supported the requested amendment for the delay, which would extend the project to 2016, and staff will take it to City Council.

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written by Christy , May 15, 2008
"The environmental review found that construction of the 2,250 homes planned for The Surland Cos.’ housing development and water park would create noise, traffic and air pollution. It could also force Pacific Gas and Electric Co. to replace two natural gas pipelines, unless development wrapped around it."

HAVE WE LEARNED NOTHING?

But Tracy residents who commented expressed the opposite sentiment — that getting a water park built, which is contingent on progress of the Ellis project, can’t come soon enough.

APPARENTLY NOT!

"Mitracos also asked whether the water park was too expensive for Tracy to maintain after it’s built"

ALL THE RIGHT QUESTSIONS, ALL THE WRONG ANSWERS.


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written by Need a second Democrat to run 4 mayor , May 15, 2008

This would be good deal for Tracy! But the process is never good enough for you obstructs is it Christy? Progress isn't going fast enough for obstructs. Perhaps your favorite candidate can show that she has accomplished more for Tracy? Nope!

No on Garamendi!
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written by dj , May 15, 2008
What is the total cost of payroll for all the man hours that have been spent on the city side of this MONOPOLY heist? Free city employees for Serpa. I want that kind of service!

The council gave direction to civic employees to spend as long as it takes to force feed this project through. Tax dollars hard at work!

Way to go Ives!
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written by Statler and Waldorf , May 15, 2008
"Monopoly"? Is that the best Garamendi can come up with? I guess that is why you also claim that Ives is under investigation. I recall that the shoe-man used to say the same complaint. Explain something to me dj! How is the shoe-man being monopolized? Are you being monopolized?

Get out your monopoly money! Cause the city hall is "screwing" the little guy!

Good grief I am getting sick of more Garamendi's whelps whining on here
1.) Baseless allegations
2.) Griping
3.) Bemoaning

Am I the only one who thinks that this "sthick" is getting OLD?

Let me ask you something, old school... Where's the beef? And why is it that Tracy isn't so bad as the picture that you are painting?



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written by dj , May 15, 2008
My rough estimate for the current costs...

1.5 million on payroll for staff for three years of working full time on this one project. This is TAX dollars.An audit would have to be done for the total. How about an AUDIT?

Can we all say Developer Welfare!

I am not Garramendi, nice try though!
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written by dj , May 15, 2008
Not to mention....

This is not even a city parcel of LAND! What are city employees doing working on county projects!

Subsidized Development!
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written by Statler and Waldorf , May 15, 2008
Where did you go? What about the monopoly you were SCREAMING about???

Continuing... Why don't we give you *one* permit, dj? You were complaining because you wanted a "cut" of the business? Right? Wouldn't that satisfy you and the shoe-man? And, to be consistent, give everyone else with a pickup truck another *one* permit. That should cure the monopoly? Right?

I see where you are going with this. And she vascilates the same frequency as you do. Twins then?

Anyway, now all you have to figure out is that business growth is put off by that type of "developer warfare" crap that she has created with slow-growth!

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written by My law degree paid by your gambling addiction , May 15, 2008
What's wrong with Larry G? He thinks he is smarty pants now that he is running for council? You are looking more like a Garrymander-er, there Larry. Pandering to the type of obstructionism that has been indicative of those activists and obstructs.

City Council candidate Larry Gamino said he was disappointed to see the architectural style was so European and unreflective of Tracy’s history.

“It’s historical amnesia,” he told the commission, “that there’s this absence of (influence) of native tribes, like the Tuolumne.”


Get down to business at hand, Larry, or you will never get elected. Now is not the time to reconsider Spanish, Colonial, French, Indian, Persian, Eskimo, Tee-Pee, Roman, Greek, African, Portugese, and Italian Renaissance designs ideas.

Sheeeeeesh!!!

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written by dj , May 15, 2008
I have no clue has to what you are mumbling about!

This is a waste of our Tax Dollars on a development that is not even in the city... What the council is trying to create for Serpa will be a true MONOPOLY -

But back to the fact we are paying civic employees for a service to a Developer, development that is not in the city limits. Three years in our Engineering, Building and Planning Departments. Talk about WELFARE and WASTE!
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written by dj , May 15, 2008
Developer agreements constitute a true MONOPOLY for 20 yrs!
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written by dj , May 15, 2008
Les Serpa -Free- Building Permits = Tax Paid
Les Serpa -Free- Infrastructure = Tax Paid
Les Serpa - Free- City employees = Tax Paid
Les Serpa -Free- Incorporation Service = Tax Paid
Les Serpa - Free-LAFCO Reports = Tax Paid
Les Serpa - Free - Impact and Planning guidance = Tax Paid
Les Serpa - Free - Outside Consultants =Tax Paid

This is a VERY expensive venture for us to be funding and to be giving this to Les Serpa for free. My question is to our coucil...

Does Les Serpa WALK ON WATER?
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written by B-dub , May 15, 2008
If the city caves in to the proposal and gives Surland/ATK the majority of home building permits in exchange for a water park what will be next? Who will be the next developer to walk into city hall and make another offer? If city leaders are naive enough to grant this, are they really thinking of Tracy residents, as a whole, best interest? This "talking" with Surland/ATK smacks of small town, back room, good 'ole boys actions.

I've said it before in a related thread, if the city council goes through with this proposed deal with Surland/ATK it's nothing more than a gratuity, a bribe, and graft. If this is the type of city government you want, count me out. When the chips fall the other way don't blame me. If this backroom deal goes forward, don't tax me more for its up-keep. This city government thinks it can do as it pleases and that's just wrong. Sure a water park would be a good thing for the city but not at the expense that our city government lose their integrity. If they fall for this, what's next?
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written by amy , May 15, 2008
"It could also force Pacific Gas and Electric Co. to replace two natural gas pipelines, unless development wrapped around it."

What size, and those pipes are extended from the City of Tracy? Age of the pipes?

This is also very unclear:"unless development wrapped around it". Meaning what?

Why should we maintain the Water Park if it is NOT in the city limits?.... Not clear on that, either. Shouldn't they be giving the City the revenue from the Water Park if they WANT them to maintain the park or keep part of the revenue to maintain it themselves! We, Tracy Residents are not paying for it, it is like asking us to pay for Mountain Home's needs! We are taxed enough!

Too tired. Later. -amy
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written by B-dub , May 15, 2008
On the other side of the coin, why not have the residents who really want this deal to go forward pay for the up-keep of the water park? Good idea, huh?

Or...since the water park was obtained for free (ok, less a pound of flesh) let the revenue taken in by the park pay for its up-keep. After all, it didn't cost the city anything except its integrity and if the deal goes through there wasn't any integrity to lose.
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written by Christy , May 15, 2008
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written by More unmitaged traffic , May 15, 2008
The transportation impact fees for the Ellis project will not be sufficient to offset the projects significant and unavoidable impacts to traffic. Ellis will cause more traffic problems and the fees derived from the project are not adequate to mitigate its impacts. the Ellis EIR states:

"The proposed DAP and associated RGAs would generate traffic that would contribute to significant unavoidable impacts to traffic and circulation within the City. While future
development projects have a responsibility to contribute a fair share towards mitigation through prescribed Transportation Impact Fees, these fees would not be sufficient to reduce the
impacts to a level that is less than significant."
http://www.ci.tracy.ca.us/modules/dms/file_retrieve.php?function=view&obj_id=361 page S-3

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written by Ellis Impacts , May 15, 2008
Traffic impacts to Corral Hollow and the Linne Road intersection already below acceptable levels of service will not be mitigated. Corral hollow already has more accidents than nay other street in Tracy. From the Ellis EIR:

"Under existing conditions, the side-street-stop-controlled Byron Road/ Grant Line Road intersection operates at LOS F with an average delay of more than 50 seconds in the PM peak hour. The addition of the proposed ESP traffic would increase the average intersection delay
further exacerbating the existing deficient LOS F. The City of Tracy level of service standard for this intersection is D. This is considered a significant impact. Signalizing the intersection would
raise the level of service to C. Impacts would be reduced to less than significant levels by signalizing the intersection.
The intersections of Corral Hollow Road/Valpico Road and Byron Road/Grant Line Road are not located within the City, and are under the control of the County. The financing and construction of roadway improvements is, in part, contingent upon the City collecting enough
fees from various applicants to fully fund the improvements. In addition to securing funding, the improvements need to be planned for through the development of Finance and Implementation Plans (FIP) and incorporated into the City’s Capital Improvement Program.
Due to the uncertainty of the collection of fees to fully fund required improvements, it is not possible to guarantee that the improvements will be completed in a time frame necessary to
mitigate the impacts of the ESP. Until such time as the improvements are constructed, impacts to these two intersections would be significant and unavoidable."
http://www.ci.tracy.ca.us/modules/dms/file_retrieve.php?function=view&obj_id=361 page s-7


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written by Ellis Impacts , May 15, 2008

Ellis will cause impacts to I-580 and I 205 which will add to an existing parking lot on these two highways. Traffic impact fees from the project will be insufficient to mitigate the traffic impacts. From the Ellis EIR:

ESP traffic would increase I-580 westbound volume west of I-205 by 2-3% during the AM peak hour. During the PM peak hour, ESP traffic would increase I-580 eastbound volumes west of I- 205 by 2%, exacerbating an already unacceptable LOS condition. Mitigation requires that the Project Applicant contribute to payment of funds for regional transportation improvements on I-580, I-205, and I-5. These improvements would increase the efficiency of regional
transportation networks and improve regional traffic circulation. While the collection of these fees would be used to fund improvements, the total fee collected to date and the projected fee collected at buildout would be insufficient to offset the estimated impacts on regional facilities. Therefore, impacts to regional transportation systems are identified as significant and unavoidable.
http://www.ci.tracy.ca.us/modules/dms/file_retrieve.php?function=view&obj_id=361 page S-7

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written by Ellis Impacts , May 15, 2008
Not only does Ellis jam up I-205 and 580 it also makes Patterson Pass and Tesla Traffic worse by 16% or more. From the Ellis EIR:

Implementation of development within the ESP site would increase existing volumes
approximately 12 percent during the AM peak hour on westbound Tesla Road and approximately 16 percent during the PM peak hour on eastbound Tesla Road, exacerbating an existing unacceptable traffic condition. Implementation of development within the ESP site would increase existing volumes approximately 7 percent during the AM peak hour on westbound Patterson Pass Road and approximately 18 percent during the PM peak hour on eastbound Patterson Pass Road, further degrading an existing unacceptable traffic condition.
Based on Alameda County’s LOS C threshold, the ESP contribution to existing traffic on Tesla Road and Patterson Pass Road would be significant and unavoidable.
http://www.ci.tracy.ca.us/modules/dms/file_retrieve.php?function=view&obj_id=361 S-7

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written by d , May 15, 2008
Traffic within the city is - Corral Hollow in particular, is a NIGHTMARE!

Even on the General Plan the city has no new roads or byways to relieve any congestion. Poor Planning , poor Leadership!
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written by JACK HAPPY , May 16, 2008
dj your a moron. keep your trap shut.
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written by Granny Garamender , May 16, 2008
Good grief more Gerrymandering!! Complaining about the number of cars when Stockton has more cars, more homes, and more people. Stockton got a new factory. Tracy won't get more jobs until the obstructionism stops!!!

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written by Get real behind the wheel! , May 16, 2008
Corral Hollow? By the school? Yes, they have the same problem by the other schools. It seems parents and teenagers don't know how to drive. As is evident from the two accidents we had here in town over the last two weeks.

Sheeeeeesh!!!

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written by tracy1 , May 16, 2008
Look like we are not going to get water park too. Like last week they did it to tracy gateway plan. Well, it's time to start learn farming rather than computer or other high tech stuff. Because this city is having lot of empty lands and look like it's going be empty for ever. And no new job will be created just because people don't like traffic. Wow, what a terrific reason.

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written by Jobs are good , May 16, 2008
written by Granny Garamender , May 15, 2008
Good grief more Gerrymandering!! Complaining about the number of cars when Stockton has more cars, more homes, and more people. Stockton got a new factory. Tracy won't get more jobs until the obstructionism stops!!!

Granny,
Ellis has over 7,000 Residents and only 360 jobs. Want jobs not more empty houses.
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written by Granny Garamender , May 16, 2008
We were comparing two cities not the percentage of empty houses between the two cities. But, if you must. The foreclosure rate in Tracy has fared well. Probably because of the proximity of the Silicon Valley. Something for you to consider, next time before try to 'spin' things up like that.

No on obstructionism!!!

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written by Jobs are good , May 16, 2008
Granny,

Ellis has over 7,000 Residents and only 360 jobs. Were talking about wanting jobs not houses. Dont want to be like stockton either maybe thats what you want Tracy to be. Granny you seem to be the obstrucionist more houses is what you want the rest of us want jobs but no doubt you work for Surland. More houses does not meam more jobs in Tracy the last twenty years of homebuilding proves that. Have a nice day granny and tell your boss Les I said hello.


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written by Granny Garamender , May 16, 2008
More irrelavency! But since you made the assumption - let me correct you. I don't know Les Serpa and have never met him. However, I don't have a problem with him, as you seem to think. I would consider that CG caused this problem with Measure A. Now you are calling me an employee of Serpa Inc. and an "obstruct". This from the CG camp? Well, you got it wrong again. I am merely an observer. Calling an observer an obstruct is like calling Mother Theresa a bigot. It just doesn't make sense, but that is just an example of more shallow thinking and lunacy-ideas from those on the CG camp???

By the way we started out comparing the Stockton to Tracy. Then you came up with the crazy idea that Les Serpa is going to ruin Tracy and turn it into another Stockton. That just serves to prove that Ives hasn't done a bad job for Tracy after all. By your own logic...

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written by Granny Garamender , May 16, 2008

Anyway, it is not clear what you are you implying? Stockton is doing better than Tracy? Or Stockton is worse off than Tracy? Let's at least deal with the facts. Then you won't be guilty of making more assumptions about Les Surpa, or otherwise 'spin' please!

Further, making a statement like, "twenty years of homebuilding" proves absolutely nothing of your point. Most people that moved here like the city of Tracy. And in many ways, the city has fared much better than other cities. While Valejo and San Jose are declaring bankruptcy the CG camp is declaring that Ives is bad for Tracy. Makes no sense.

But an illustrative example of what I have come to expect from you and the rest of the CG camp. I see nothing but more baseless forecasts and statements here, which are otherwise known as "opinions"!

And here's another one...

No on Gerrymander!

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written by Granny Garamender , May 16, 2008
You have a nice day too!

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written by Vote for Steve , May 16, 2008
Stcokton is not what I want Tracy to look like but you seem to think we should have more cars and houses like Stockton so we can have more jobs. You want Tracy to be like Stockton. You opened up the Stockton thing granny. by the way granny Im voting fo Tolbert. And you still fail to address the problem Ellis brings 7,000 more new people and only 360 jobs. have a nice day granny.

Vote for Tolbert Granny oh thats right you dont live ine Tracy.
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written by Granny Garamender , May 16, 2008
More assumptions about where I live and what I want for Tracy. Tracy is a bedroom community. A lot of people drive to cities like Stockton and the Bay Area. That you or I cannot change. While the number of jobs in Tracy is lower than Stockton, the population of Stockton is much larger. Also the city of Tracy has done much better in other areas. Compared to Stockton, Tracy has a lower rate of foreclosures. I would rather live in Tracy than Stockton. And I think the majority of the eighty thousand people who have moved here will tell you the same thing...

No on Gerrymander!

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written by Granny Garamender , May 16, 2008
And enjoy your vote for Tolbert!

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written by B-dub , May 16, 2008
Tracy...like Stockton? I don't think I'd like that. The more people the more crime. We'll need to beef up TPD and TFD. I read the Record every morning and have noticed that there is a shooting or stabbing almost every day in Stockton. Lots of people wanted on warrants too. If population growth is what you want, be prepared for other things that come along with it.

So remember, be careful what you ask for ... you may get it and a lot more.
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written by Granny Garamender , May 16, 2008
You have made another assumption that I want tracy to have the same population as Stockton. We have a L-O-N-G way to go before we would ever get to that size. Most people understand that "slow-growth" is bad for business. Those on here, representing the CG camp don't seem to understand that. I understand that Trader Joes is planning to double the number of stores. Will Tracy get one probably not according to Trader Joes we don't haven enough people in Tracy.

Population gwoth is already limited in Tracy. What you have done is along the lines of schetching a 'pretend' scenario. That only works if you're trying to scare your audienc into believing your side of the issue.

Additionally, by your own logic (I would like to point out) that the TPD and TFD are currently faring much better than Stockton.

Those things will invariably come, but if Tracy continues to be ranked as high as they are in terms of Police and Fire, than I wouldn't worry about it. In other words "the sky is NOT falling!"

Btw, I didn't ask for anything!

But if I did it would be something like, No on Gerrymander!

Cheers!

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written by B-dub , May 16, 2008

To: Granny Garamender

I was not responding to your response. I was responding to many posts that mentioned Stockton and Tracy. Don't be so sensitive.

But to respond to something you said: "that the TPD and TFD are currently faring much better than Stockton." Your key word here is "currently"....if population rises so will we have to increase police and fire but at this moment, yes, they are faring much better than Stockton.



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written by B-dub , May 16, 2008
Granny Garamender said: "What you have done is along the lines of schetching a 'pretend' scenario. That only works if you're trying to scare your audienc into believing your side of the issue."

I did not sketch out a "pretend" scenario. Go to Dick's Newstand and pick up a copy of the Stockton Record...go to pg 2 of the Local section. That is not a pretend scenario. I mentioned it not meaning to scare anyone but to show that with growth comes crime. We have it here in Tracy now only not on the scale of Stockton.

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written by Joe Lombriga , May 16, 2008
Granny,
How is this for a current scenario. Wednesday paper on Tracy Fire Department. Think growth not paying its way has anything to do with this? Im sure you will accuse me of being a supporter of CG. Wrong again.

http://tracypress.com/content/view/14617/2242/

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written by Granny Garamender , May 16, 2008
Well then thanks for the response and don't worry I am not so sensitive as you have assumed. Tracy is rated well in the state of California in terms of crime. Now if you had asked is there room for improvement I would have agreed with you. Improvement in terms of the crime rate is good for any city.

Anyway, I already understand that we are comparing two distinct cities with different sizes of population, but if Tracy scales well than the scenario wouldn't play out as badly as you scetched, regarding your comparison to Stockton. Regardless, we are too far upstream to be concerned about that scenario. Except for the fact that you assumed Tracy will automaticagically become as bad as Stockton. Population is obviously proportional to an increase in crime. You neglected to consider variations in crime rate comparisions in your prophecy of 'Tracy becoming another Stockton'.

I am not a prophet, but I do know that Tracy ranks pretty well in comparison to other cities. If you want we can continue to compare and contrast the two cities in terms of crime rate. But as you pointed out there are differences in population that we can argue about.

The bottom line. I only pointed out that if Tracy can scale upward, as well as they are doing now, then it wouuldn't be anything like the 'Stockton scenario'.


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written by Granny Garamender , May 16, 2008
There are other cities that we can compare also. You can look the statistics up online. There are websites that have the crime data for each city. I got information from the TPD, directly and compared it with what is available online. You will obviously find cities that fare worse than Tracy. Better too!

I still maintain my no vote on Garamendi. You haven't convinced me that this city will turn into a "Stockton" under the current city council's direction. And you haven't convinced me that there is a need for Garamendi. If that was your agenda?. Anyway, this is an article about Ellis...

Cheers!

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written by amy , May 16, 2008
Maybe the Ellis Evaluation will work in conjuction DOT to add and improve the roads around it? DOT will recognize the problem? Might fund it, not for a long time, maybe.

Will be interesting to compare the next one with the last one.
Ellis evaluation:
Friday, 11 April 2008
http://tracypress.com/content/view/14243/2279/
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written by Granny Garamender , May 16, 2008
Joe,

Firstly, you just made an assumption. I didn't accuse you of anything, yet. Notice, that this is my first response to you.

Secondly, it is a free country! You can support anyone you want. Can't you??? Why would you hinge your vote on my opinions. Go get your own. Everyone else has one...

No on Gerrymander!

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written by B-dub , May 17, 2008
It was nice conversing with you Granny. Let me just say that I am not on this site to try and change anyone's mind. I'm here to try and explain why I feel negotiations between the city and Surland/ATK are, in my opinion, wrong.

I believe my work ethic is high. In my past line of work it was a no-no to accept a gratuity or bribe. I don't want to get into the definitions again so just look them up yourself. Once you've committed yourself to accepting a grautity you've lost your integrity. A gratuity is what I feel the city is getting themselves into with Surland/ATK. They're going to feel indebted to them forever. And like I stated further up, I'm not for slow or fast growth. I'm for sensible growth. No candidate has expressed that idea. Not Ives. Not Maciel. Not Hite...no one except CG. (Now just because she feels otherwise doesn't mean I accept her as the only candidate to vote for.) They all feel it is ok to discuss a free water park with Surland/ATK in exchange for a majority of the city's home building permits.

If I were in city government I would not negotiate the way this city council is going about business. My integrity is too high to stoop to their level.
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written by Granny Garamender , May 17, 2008
B-dub,

I appreciate your straightforwardness. Excuse me if I am a little 'edgy' sometimes. For that I can't apologize. Let's move forward and not vascilate, please! And someone has to keep an eye on things. We can all do that. Right? You could join me if you want. Don't go away mad!

Anyway, I would certainly not make assumptions about your work ethic. And I am glad that you expressed your opinions. After all, it is a good thing what the TP has provided here. Some others get on here and don't feel like they get to be some kinda "king of the hill", or become the "World's Greatest Blogger". It's not the end of their world, but they have to go and get all hot and bothered. Then they start calling names. Like the medicine woman. (hehehe). Like, that will help them express themselves better, or something.


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written by Granny Garamender , May 17, 2008
It reminds me of the pedestrian who pushes the croswalk button and then pushes it again, and again, and again, and harder, ....

Ooooh Kaaaay! I don't have to understand everything, you see....

But, my thing is that there are people on here saying all kinda BS. You know! I'm sure we all see that. And I don't believe that you were really born yesterday. But just because they are ticked off about something or another in the community doesn't mean they will change it with one post on the TP blog. And we can all see it. Maybe someday you can explain that one to blinker and Christy. Or not. Totally up to you.

Anyway, it has occurred to me that the city didn't fare so badly as those, certain individuals like to make things look. So when I hear that type of nonsense, I challenge them. And I don't apologize for it. You should too. In fact I may do it again. Please join in when you can, if you can.

Expanding, in particular, I ask questions like why is it that the city of Tracy is better off than other cities. If Ives is being "demonized" by certain individuals who "sound" credible then I would expect the city to be "bankrupt" by now? "Bankrupt" was their own words. Hmmmm.... Recall reading about Valejo?


And what is it that Garamendi has to offer? Anything?

What plan does Garamendi have? Anything?

So, is Tracy really doing that bad? Finances? Foreclosures? TPD? Schools? Etc? Etc? The sky is falling?

Of course folks don't like to have to answer questions that they haven't thought about, yet.


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written by Granny Garamender , May 17, 2008
So, I have discovered that instead of presenting a logical case, or rebuttal, they usually get tourqued-off and then just go away mad.

But you don't go away mad, B-dub. Let's just be objective about things and agree to disagree. Which we can obviously do. Thanks!

I have to say that I do disagree on one other point though.

I just talked to a manager from another city, to be nameless, and the consistent theme is that their city also has to collect something from the developers too. It is a "negotiation" process. Give and take. It takes place in the real world. Yes it really happens. Sometimes someone even gets an overpriced fruitcake at Christmas time. Hey, it happens! But, tell me the truth, B-dub, would you really pay over $100.00 dollars for a FRUITCAKE. Ok, maybe if it comes with Brad Pitt attached to it.
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The deal is struck and city leaders present the final deal at the council meeting. There are all kind of risks and hurdles that need to be mitigated and dealt with. Transparency they say? (you may not have said it), but I say to them, "give me a break!"

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written by Granny Garamender , May 17, 2008

If that were so then we could expect to see her "transparent plan"???

I doubt that a "transparent", "smarter", plan will ever be produced, B-dub. But that's just my opinion. Not yours? Right?

Anyway, back to the city project planning. One risk is that the populace could just up and say "backlash". So to speak. That could be a deal-killer. Of course! However, I don't think this one will have a hard time going through. That's just how I think people will view it. Backlash? Probably not with the park attached. People want something more in these tough times. And that park promises to be just that. I know you have some objections...

Anyway, whether I like it there, or not doesn't matter. I can't stop it from happening.

But I can ask questions when people start saying Garamendi is the answer. And so far they haven't been able to answer why they think Garamendi is really the answer.

It reminds me of the bobblehead doll that I have on my dashboard and I am starting to think she probably isn't the answer. And from your last post. I think we agree on that one.

Cheers!

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written by B-dub , May 17, 2008

Granny............I don't like fruit cake. smilies/wink.gif
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written by Granny Garamender , May 17, 2008
Mee too.

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Have a nice day!
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written by amy , May 18, 2008
Right, Granny Garamender, I didn't like Surland having the Water Park, either. But as I see it at present, Water Park is a closed subject on who gets the Water Park. I know who voted in approval of it. Not pleased and made my opinion known on the blog when the article came out "Surland wins water vote".

Let's focus on upcoming meeting in June where other possible sites are under consideration. It isn't too long till then? Perhaps then, with these possible site we will hear of their visions?
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written by Granny Garamender , May 18, 2008
I was talking about the location. I don't have a problem with Surland. Since I happen to believe that TRAQC has created an *interesting* situation with Measure A, etc.

I am of the opinion that their solution to what they perceived as rapid growth was to simply create Measures. While measures are good in theory. They are open ended and open to interpretation.

I understand the *claim* is that tried to do this to benefit the city. In other words, I believe their heart may have been in the right place.

However, I (my opinion) believe that the result of TRAQC's actions is what we are seeing. Developers struggling for onesies and twosies. After all, somebody has to do the development? And most will agree with me, that we shouldn't halt development entirely.

Btw, lest I am accuesd -- I am not a developer.

Anyway, continuing, my opinion of TRAQC's methodology is not in high regard. I believe we are reaping the result of their actions (here). And that there is no other option for the council. Growth must *not* be stopped entirely (at all costs).

However, looking at it from a binary (i.e bi-partisan) perspective. That would be the council's only other option. In other words, they are painted into a corner.

Given the current predicament, I would start by asking questions that haven't yet been asked. Was that the original intent of TRAQC? And I cannot answer the question without simply deducing so. All based on what I have seen unfolding in Tracy.

Question: Is that the way someone wants it??? For what purpose???

Nowadays, nothing can ever get done in this town!

Was it always like that???

When did that change???

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written by amy , May 19, 2008
Yeah, was waiting for websites on that, awfully quiet?

Just wished we could keep the WaterPark, though. Just my problem with that. Don't care about developers. Just wanna parks that would bring revenue to the city, being greedy in my demands! smilies/wink.gif
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written by Granny Garamender , May 19, 2008
Do governments operate the same way that businesses do? Regardless, it is always a good idea not to fall into the Valejo "trap". Also, I don't think that is greedy of you to want the city to bring revenue. It is a noble pursuit. So, while we are thinking in terms of revenue. Wouldn't a business park could bring more revenue than a sports field?

Look at other cities that have built expensive sports fields. They are probably not making a lot of money from their sports fields. And if Tracy build one then we will be cutting into an already tight "market". Can we call it a "market"? And with these high gas prices, let's make sure we understand that market, its customers, and the full potential of that market. Regardless of what I think about a sports field, I am glad to see that the city council is having the June meeting, which Amy mentioned two posts ago.

On the other side of the coin, the city could more efficiently, "squeeze" revenue out of a sports field, but only *IF* there is money left to build a sports field. If there is a budget, then Tracy should build it. Otherwise, Tracy may want to consider shifting its focus toward building a business park instead. The ROI would be much better on a business park than a sports field. So it should be considered. A college would be a good idea too. But that's just my opinion.

Also, children can take swimming lessons at West High this summer. Parents should know the current city offerings. Perhaps more awareness would help those interested before the June meeting.

I'm just glad to people are thinking about more revenue in these times.

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written by Granny Garamender , May 19, 2008
I got my own pool though! Works better that way. Don't have to share with fifty other families. Keeps you cool on hot days like this weekend. Just me and the laptop and a big ol pool with some ice, a glass and a bottle of Whiskey. Hic!

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written by amy , May 19, 2008
I hope they will have a good taping of the city council meeting in June. Would want to watch channel 26 after work.

About Vallejo, I don't think their city staff salary set according to the size of the city, being the largest city in California, is the only reason they filed for bankruptcy?

It would be like blaming the bankruptcy on our New City Manager since he is being paid 198,000 a year plus perks...ifit should occur here?

Time to move out of "Industrial Revolution that requires the feeding of oil" to new era of alternative energy in cars, homes, and power. Sure would produce new generation of jobs.

Train mechanics to repair hybrid cars, how many are trained for it world wide?

Training field opens teaching career..so many opportunities there.

Tracy could get their foot in the door of huge success in drawing these businesses?
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written by Channel 26 , May 19, 2008
Channel 26, yes!

Good getting the news out!

Q: I think folks that don't have cable can go get the tapes at the library? May have to watch it there, though? But, I never did that myself.

Since I don't have experience doing this at the library (just second hand information) someone may correct me if I am wrong??? Hopefully!

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written by Is TRAQC now Flip Flopping on Chapter 26??? , May 19, 2008
Tracy still has money in the bank? The city supports jobs! And that is good. Additionally, the city still has money to keep from going bankrupt.

Bankrupt?

Yes, some have said we're going to go bankrupt. I won't name any names, but their initials are TRAQC.
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written by More ellis Impacts , May 19, 2008
Due to the greater frequency of freight train trips that are projected along the Union Pacific Railroad, horn noise from the freight trains would be greater than passenger train horn noise.
Horn noise would be intermittent and would occur during a short period of time. Although the recommended mitigation measures require Focused Acoustical Studies for areas within the Acoustical Impact Zones, as depicted in Figure 3B.5-4, a potentially significant impact could still occur. Therefore, it is anticipated that with further acoustical analyses and implementation of recommended design features, on-site noise levels would be significant and unavoidable.
Ellis EIR page 3B.5-31
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written by More ellis Impacts , May 19, 2008
Airport
The Tracy Municipal Airport is located southeast of the ESP site bordering Corral Hollow Road and Linne Road. As indicated in the Figure 3B.5-3, the southeast portion the ESP site is located
within the 60 CNEL Airport Noise Contour. Residential Low, Residential Medium, Residential High, Park, and Commercial land uses are proposed within the 60 CNEL Airport Noise
Contour. Figure 3B.5-4, Acoustical Impact Zone, depicts the noise impact zones that would require a Focused Acoustical Study to be performed to reduce noise impacts to meet the City’s
interior and exterior noise standards. The City’s General Plan Noise Element allows for an exterior Ldn up to 60 dBA and 65 dBA for residential uses and 70 dBA for commercial land
uses. In addition, the City’s Municipal Code, Noise Ordinance Code, states that the General Sound Level Limits for Residential Districts is 55 dBA and 65 dBA for Commercial Districts. However, the General Plan Noise Element states within Objective N-1.1 Policy 5 and Policy 7 that “All new residential land uses shall maintain a standard of 45 Ldn in building interiors” and that “New residential development affected by noise from railroads or aircraft operations shall
be designated to limit typical maximum instantaneous noise levels to 50 dBA in bed rooms and 55 dBA in other rooms,” respectively. Therefore, to ensure the exterior noise levels of the future
residences do not exceed 55 dBA and the interior noise levels would be less than 50 dBA, Mitigation Measure 3B.1-g would be implemented. Although the recommended mitigation measures require Focused Acoustical Studies for areas within the Acoustical Impact Zones, as
depicted in Figure 3B.5-4, a potentially significant impact could still occur. Therefore, it is anticipated that with further acoustical analyses and implementation of recommended design
features, on-site noise levels would be significant and unavoidable.
Ellis EIR page 3B.5-31


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written by Hey Horn Blower!!! , May 20, 2008
The horn is louder at Glenbriar, because they have a RR crossing and a platform.

Ellis aing nutting compared to TracyBlvd and Linne (GlenBriar)!

Hope that wakes you up!!!

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written by Hey Horn Blower!!! , May 20, 2008
And the sound wall that is mentioned in the report (you provided) does help! Thanks!!!

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written by Hey Horn Blower!!! , May 20, 2008
Actually we can hear the train horns all over Tracy, doesn't matter where you live.

Used to watch them from my back yard when I was a kid. It is safer nowadays that they have to slow down at intersections and blow that horn.

Keep blowing!
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written by Hey Horn Blower!!! , May 20, 2008
WAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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