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Written by Jennifer Wadsworth / Tracy Press /   
Tuesday, 25 March 2008

Even gang members in Tracy commute, according to law enforcement and counselors, who say gang-bangers travel to the Bay Area to raise hell. But more and more, the troubles follow them home.


Commute time
Traffic streams over the Altamont Pass as commuters make their way home from a day of work in the Bay Area. But law enforcement officers are increasingly finding gang-bangers are also traveling to cause trouble and visit allies. Press file photo
When Jack Martinez was growing up in Los Angeles, gang-bangers hailed from inner-city slums and rarely left them.

Martinez was one of them — even served 38 years in prison for them. But like California’s gangs, he’s moved to the suburbs.

In Tracy, through a program called Point Break, the 61-year-old counsels gangsters who, for the most part, are no older than 18, dress in department-store streetwear and live in upper-middle-class homes, with lenient — and often absent — parents. And like their parents, many of these suburban gangsters commute. They suffer an hours-long drive to raise hell in Oakland, Fremont or San Leandro with more established Bay Area street gangs.

Authorities unofficially dub them commuter gang-bangers or rush-hour gangsters.

The back-and-forth trip from east to west connects suburban to urban and, as Martinez sees it, exposes young Tracy residents to realities once reserved for inner-city teens.

One such reality: Colors can kill.

It used to be just an urban truism. But that rule piggybacked on families with troubled kids who settled into safe, cookie-cutter neighborhoods in the far-East Bay and Central Valley.

Reformed gang-bangers with kids of their own tried to escape that reality, too — away from the notoriously gang-ridden turf in major Bay Area cities. Today, the only safe colors for Latino youth are green and white, say local counselors, many of whom, like Martinez, are former gang members themselves.

Colors, letters and numbers denote loyalties, loyalties that gang members stake their lives on. It’s one of the gang-related lessons big-city youngsters learn by the time they hit grade school.

Today, those lessons are planted through experience in neighborhoods known for their manicured lawns and weekend garage sales. They’ve seen loyalties develop not just to the neighborhood, the city or the "209" turf, but to an entire network of gangsters spanning cities and counties — and, in the case of prison gangs, states.

Mass migration

Many of Tracy’s teenagers who already boast a rap sheet for gang-related rackets moved out here with their families before the subprime meltdown, Tracy police said.

When they’re old enough to drive, they go back.

"One of the first things they do when they get their driver’s license is drive back to the bay to party and make mischief with friends," said Lt. Tom Overton, an investigator for the San Leandro Police Department.

Conversely, Bay Area gangs come to Tracy and surrounding cities to meet up with old friends and pick fights with rival gangs.

As a result, Tracy police frequently work with other agencies to fight out-of-town gang problems, Tracy police Chief David Krauss said.

"We are not only increasing the amount of time we work with other cities and task forces," Krauss said, "but we just approved the expansion of our gang unit."

By June, a new sergeant will oversee Tracy’s gang unit, and the department will add two new officers to the two-man unit. Also, instead of traveling to other cities to meet with gang officers, Tracy will host its own sessions.

"The problem is not just in Tracy and not just in the county," Krauss said. "Several times, we’ve run into gang members from cities over the hill. Because of the mobility of gang members, we’re going to start convening the meetings here."

The gang problem in Tracy is not exaggerated, he added. Compared with other cities, it might seem less serious. "But Tracy has a definite gang presence," he said.

Citywide, the Mayor’s Community Youth Support Network pushed the council to approve $1 million annually in part to help with gang prevention. That includes counseling, city and police outreach and probably some more after-school mentoring for the under-18 crowd, city officials said.

Jack Martinez
Jack Martinez looks at graffiti painted on a sound wall at Tracy Press Park off Weeping Willow Lane. A former Mexican Mafia gang member and Pelican Bay prison inmate, Martinez now tries to help kids steer clear of gangs and their violence. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press

Family matters

For the northerners and southerners, the Norteños and Sureños, loyalty is more about family feuds than regional turf wars. But those feuds increasingly lead to violent crime and lately have involved a younger crowd of gang-bangers, a San Jose-based task force said in a recently issued warning.

Prison gangs oversee the street gangs, sometimes funding them and supplying leadership to the typically younger Sureños and Norteños. Hardened gang members promote, demote and assign street-gang affiliates in a type of martial hierarchy — street soldiers do the bidding of generals with prison-earned street cred.

Their uniforms are colorful and full of meaning. Aside from the telephone area codes that gangs use to identify turf, symbols like the Roman numerals "XIV" and "XIII" correlate to letters of the alphabet — "N" for Norteño and "M" for Mexican Mafia, the Sureños’ parent prison gang.

Nuestra Familia, one of the nation’s most notorious prison gangs and one with historically strong ties to Bay Area crime lords, was founded at Deuel Vocational Institution, just outside Tracy.

Tracy teens’ temptation to return to the bay has a lot to do with media that glamorize Bay Area gangsterdom, said local gang counselors and police officers. Artists such as Mac Dre rapped about group loyalty and violence among Bay Area gangs. Local, lesser-known rappers like Tracy’s Sir Dyno, Filthy 209 or Raul G advocate Norteño unity in violent anthems to life on the streets.

Rival northerners outnumber Sureños in San Joaquin County, police said. But for both gangs, rap songs’ references to Oakland and surrounding cities appeal to young people relegated to a mundane suburbia.

That sentiment comes from 19-year-old Raul Dominguez, a West High graduate, San Joaquin Delta College liberal arts student and a former Norteño.

"We’re lucky to live near the Bay Area," he said, "and I think a lot of young gang members here feel that way. The appeal of going back to Oakland and those places was because it’s famous for that lifestyle, like Compton or other places you hear about in rap songs. For kids in gangs, that’s attractive."

It’s easy to see why, he pointed out. A lot of kids think life on this side of the Altamont is boring.

Drive through almost any local housing tract, and one thing is evident: Tracy’s dead in the daytime. Business hours find neighborhoods populated, albeit sparsely, by stay-at-home parents and, after school, their children. Commuting defines life in the town of 80,000.

Tag-team networks

Commuting gangsters prompt police from cities throughout the state to stay in touch. Some agencies have founded inter-city task forces to help. And like their blue-uniformed counterparts, commuter gang bangers share a knack for networking.

It’s one of the main reasons they drive to the bay. Being in a gang is largely about knowing the right people from the right places, said Martinez, the counselor and former member of the Mexican Mafia.

For many Tracy teens who claim gang affiliation, the people they’re proud to know are part of well-connected crime rings in the Bay Area, said Martinez.

Retaliation also drives teens to make the trip westward.

"Bay Area kids will come out here and cause trouble, like start a fight or something," he said. "And then the Stockton kids will drive out there to get revenge."

The inter-county trips have worsened crime on school campuses both east and west, San Leandro investigator Overton said.

"If someone knows a fight is coming up, they can call for allies from out in Oakland or San Leandro or Hayward," he said. Out-of-town mercenaries make campus brawls "more heated and harder to break up."

Changing face of Tracy

Tracy used to be known as a quiet, valley farm town, even though it’s been home to a minimum-security prison and has always been at the crossroads of Stockton and Oakland.

Some worry that the gang problem is changing the face of Tracy. Gang brawls involving crowbars, baseball bats and old-fashioned fisticuffs keep school campus police officers frenetically playing peacekeeper. Norteños and Sureños duke it out on high school campuses, in city parks and behind seedy liquor stores.

In December 2007, 19-year-old Mario Perrales and two other teenagers hopped out of a van and pummeled a 15-year-old with an iron bar in front of Tracy High School. The victim’s older brother was attacked later that day in Gillett Alley downtown, according to police reports.

Since January, Perrales has bided his time in San Joaquin County Jail in French Camp. He pleaded guilty, though he denied having gang ties.

Deputy District Attorney Ron Indran insisted the assault was gang-related, and Tracy’s gang task force confirmed the gang connection. Based on that charge, Perrales faces an extended sentence. He’ll spend a year in jail and five years on probation for felony assault.

Defense attorney Jonathan Fattarsi argued that there was no proof Perrales was a gang member. But gang affiliation, not just membership, is enough to merit a longer sentence, the judge countered. Perrales learned that Norteño pride makes one’s offense more serious in the eyes of the law.

What that says, Overton pointed out, is that you’ve got an entire network, an entire Norteño nation to back you. Not just in the county, but in this half of the state.

"For law enforcement, that makes a charge that much more serious," Overton said. "You know people who know people who can perpetuate a crime or retaliate."

Hit and run home

Tracy’s old-timers deride young East Bay expatriates as the cause of the town’s growing crime, blaming it on the allegedly mischief-making Bay Area transplants, namely, the Norteños and Sureños. There are others, but they’re vastly outnumbered by the color-coded Latino familias.

Clad in red and blue, respectively, the Latino gangs claim thousands of members in and around Stockton. In Tracy, there might be a few hundred gang members, police said.

Most of the reported troublemakers are teens, police say. Other gangs claiming ties in the Central Valley include the San Leandro-based Davis Street Locals and the mixed-race Border Brothers.

Many came to Tracy because their parents sought affordable homes and a way to pull them out of an environment plagued by the very problems their kids now create.

Families vowed to start fresh to give their kids a second chance. Still, they kept ties back by the bay — friends, jobs, relatives or a busier nightlife that made it worth the trip west.

More than ever, Bay Area cops get tied up with violence and trouble involving Central Valley gangs, Overton said.

"You’d be amazed at how many are from out of town," he said. "That’s why we communicate so extensively with police departments in different cities."

Two months ago, out-of-town gang members shot someone at a family wedding in Hayward. Area police suspect the gunmen drove over from San Joaquin County.

"We get a lot of guys out from Stockton, from Tracy, from that area," Overton said. "The kids, once they’re able to drive, still want to come up here and hang out with their old friends, and it makes them easy to do a crime here and then go. They know it’s hard to trace."

To target gangs, arrests many times depend on insiders to rat out other gang members, he said. It gets tough, he added, because of members’ fierce loyalty or fear of revenge. Many times, victims of stabbings, shootings or beatings by a separate gang will keep mum to avoid being labeled a snitch by rivals.

"And if the perpetrator came from out of town, it complicates it further," Overton said. "In that case, it’s really tough to track anyone down. We really struggle with trying to get witnesses to come forward when we’re dealing with out-of-town gang members."

• Contact Tracy Press reporter Jennifer Wadsworth, call 830-4225 or e-mail This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it .

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written by hermanhesse , March 26, 2008
This problem will continue to grow until our government has the balls to shutdown the southern border and deploy our military in crime-infested neighborhoods. Still, it seems as if our liberal, multicultural America would rather condone and encourage criminality than vanquish it. Forget about illegal immigration ... Obama wants to increase legal immigration.
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written by holdthearir , March 26, 2008
I know this problem to be true because the police in oakland have increasing come up with tracy residents that have gang affiliations and have commmitted crimes in oakland. smilies/angry.gif
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written by Payback , March 26, 2008
I agree with dispatching the military in crime infested areas as well as more patrols to the border BUT the ultimate issue is these parents want to move their kids out of the ghetto by moving somewhere affordable like Tracy. When they get to tracy...they spend all their time commuting and not home parenting so therefore their kids get to do whatever they want unsupervised. You can't expect Tracy neighborhoods to do YOUR parenting. Now those nice neighborhoods in tracy become crime infested due to lack of parenting. I say we add a small tax on all gun/ammo sales so that we can buy more ammo for border patrol to shoot that illiagals as well as the worthless gangbangers in every city!!!
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written by real talk , March 26, 2008
Actually,over 75% of gang violen is done by chicanos(mexican-americans). Illegals only do a 15% of violent crimes. By making or closing the borders, it will still be a problem. Here in Tracy, there has always been a large population of Mexicans, and Chicanos and even then there wasen't that many crimes until the Bay Area people started to head over here. Oakland and there attidude is the ones you have to worry about, (hyphy) and dancing on the road with there ugly scrapper cars. My advice, blow up Oakland!!!
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written by SAD , March 26, 2008
HALF OF THE MILITARY IS CHICANO
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written by Richard Nixon , March 26, 2008
REAL TALK YOU ARE CORRECT IN YOUR NUMBERS. I'LL VOTE FOR DEPORTING ILLEGALS BACK TO MEXICO. THEN TRACY WOULD BE 15% LESS MEXICANS AND 15% LESS CRIME. HOME OWNERS SHOULD BUY 15% MORE GUNS AND BULLETS. MAYBE THEY COULD WIPE OUT ANOTHER 15%. WHEN ILLEGALS GIVE BIRTH IN TRACY HOSPITAL THEY SHOULD BE DEPORTED RIGHT AWAY OR PUT INTO A LOCKED ROOM UNTIL THEY PAY THEIR HOSPITAL BILL, WHICH EVER COMES FIRST.
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written by road tripper , March 26, 2008
It's sad that we have to talk about illegal immigration when the story's about gangs. These people are legal residents for the most part. The "illegals" are the ones who are too busy working low-paying jobs to worry about petty rivalries.
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written by Intereste Party , March 26, 2008
Good Article. The author does know that rapper Mac Dre has been dead for four years? - Right?
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written by Frustrated Resident , March 26, 2008
Road Tripper, I agree with you. It's horrific to think that people are so quick to blame the "Mexican Illegals" for the crime issues here in California. I am also wondering why there is no talk of the other Gangs that cause problems in our area? Why the focus on the hispanic gangs when EVERYONE knows there are gangs of ALL nationalities causing problems for our community. There is no easy answer here. But, it does make me want to move out of California all together!
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written by d , March 26, 2008
Tracy is a safe haven for gangs.City Parks are always full of gangs, downtown, the mall. Very few are caught or even questioned.

The park behind our home is dark and full of activity on Friday and Saturday nights, the sound walls around us are tagged every Sunday with the terrritory signs. It is out of control and this article just proves the very real problem Tracy is in.

Mayors Youth Council is a JOKE! Spend the money on lights for our parks and more police!
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written by d , March 26, 2008
Tracy has many gangs, they are not all Hispanic, we have Asian, Black and assorted mixed gangs. We have it all!
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written by Amazing , March 26, 2008
It just amazes me how we are talking about fighting crime and everyone focuses on violence, more guns, more ammo. What will this resolve? Crime is not just in an area, it is all over. These kids need role models, yes their parents are not here commuting to support their families, that is what society has done with prices for everything from milk to gas being so outrageous, we are given no other choice. My family has lived in Tracy for many generations, we have seen the changes but our compassion for others has not changed. Until people stop being ignorant and trying to place the blame instead of realizing it is our problem as a society and be willing to step up to the issues the problem will continue to grow.
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written by d , March 26, 2008
Spend more money on Public Works to clean up the city!
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written by RickTracy , March 26, 2008
Man... The posts on these blogs are so third grade... Remember folks, anyone in the world can read these blog's and from most of the above posts it shows that most of these bloggers who presumably live in Tracy can't think critically or speak without offending a particular ethnic group.

In my humble opionion gangs and gangbanges are never good in our community, but our community can always be better than the gangs. We need to offer kids an alternative to gangs and since I have lived here in Tracy I have constantly seen that this town really gets behind it's teams. So let's get these kids into sports where they can channel thier anger in a much more civil way. Most kid's are'nt bad they're just misguided and it will take us to guide them back onto the straight path, ethnic stereotyping will never get us anywhere.

Oh and another thing please stop labeling all people who moved here from the Bay Area or beyond as thugs, or uncivil, and careless! The vast majority of us are good hardworking Americans and have the right to live wherever we wish. I myself was born in Berkeley, grew up in Oakland, studied in Santa Barbara(UCSB), and now proudly call Tracy my home, and Tracy is a wonderful town.

Thanks good day all...
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written by theDream , March 26, 2008
Very Good article!! But I would have appreciated more information in regards to all the other gang activity in Tracy. There are many other gangs in town that are not Latino based gangs. And keep in mind this is very much a parenting issue not an immigration issue!!!
There are 1 to many latchkey kids and misguided young adults running around.
The issue does not only involve gangs, trouble makers don’t always come with an affiliation!!

I agree with RickTracy, It’s not a Bay area folk’s problem. My family is originally from the Bay Area but we now consider Tracy home and are active members of the community contributing in many different ways.

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written by Angelo.S , March 26, 2008
First of all, they need to get rid of Jack Martinez, he's just fueling the fire. No one in their right mind would ever listwn to him for several different reasons.
1. You can't be a ex-memeber of any prison gang and expect respect from the gangs.
2. You cant be a ex-member of a rival gang and expect respect from your ex-rivals.
*-especailly a drop out!

No one from Tracy will embrace his efforts simply becasue He is talking down on Central valley people, when he , himself is not even from around here, no not even close.

Anyway- as far as commuter gangbanging! It was just a mtter of time.
But Tracy would have these problems with or without the so called "more established bay area gangs" , gangs have always been a part of the little town of Tracy, as the city grows, so will thr gang problem.

We need those who were involved in Tracy Gang lifestyles to step up and reach out. Let's get rid of Jack Martinez- Have him go back to L.A and reach out to them
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written by c.n. , March 26, 2008
This problem is not just hitting Tracy. It is also showing up in many other places, including Antioch, Oakley and Brentwood where kids are moving from Oakland and Richmond to name a few places. It shows that you cannot move a young person out of his environment and expect that he/she is magically changed.
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written by Irritated , March 26, 2008
I agree with roadtripper when you say the illegal's are working hard LOW paying jobs. Its true. They're in the fields busting their asses working minimum wage jobs that us AMERICANS won't do! Its the legals who are here. All Races, and nationalities. Whites, mexicans, asians, blacks, etc. My fiance was shot at a couple months back probably just becuase he is mexican and we live on the north side of town. I think it is ridiculous. I think the cops in Tracy should quit focusing on marijuana crimes and other drug related crimes, people doing drugs are only hurting themselves, as opposed to gang members, they're hurting others and innocent people. I'm SICK of living in fear of being in a crossfire. Gangmembers need to get a freakin life and get a damn JOB! It's not worht being in a gang. When I see gang members at the park, they make me freakin sick. You have only one life to live, why are you gonna live it being selfish and hurting people and yourselves. Its LOW. Live your life the right way. Get a job, and have a family.
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written by road tripper , March 26, 2008
It's true -- it's not about citizenship. Not even about race. It's about poverty, boredom ... so much more. Let's not oversimplify.
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written by Carol H. , March 26, 2008
Where are the parents of the gangbangers? Working and commuting 12 hr days to pay for thier inflated price tract homes and Keep-up-with-the jones Mercedes and Escalades. they work so hard to keep up the "affluent" Tracy suburban appearance, that the kids dont have supervision, guidance, or constructive activities.
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written by Bat , March 26, 2008
First and foremost I am of the belief that there is only race in this world, the human race.
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written by Mike Honcho , March 26, 2008
Why all the heat on the Mexican gangs? What I really want to see an article like this about those darn Swiss gangs and the havoc they're causing. Or maybe those shifty Dutch gangs. Oh wait I get it. The Mexican Gangs are committing the crimes American's won't.
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written by raised in Tracy , March 26, 2008
I agree with you (RickTracy) it is far easier for people to blame others for their own short comings. I always hear " they are taking our jobs", but in reality they perform tasks that no body wants or will do. If all the illegal immigrants even took a few days off from work californias economy would suffer imagine a few weeks. Most of the hate filled blogs are from people with limited education that only know how to lash out in order to feel good about themselves.It is sad to see how narrow minded people can be in this town. Guns have never solved anything yet these backword idiots think that is the end all; save all. Lets focus on how we as a community can make our town a safer place not just to sleep but to live.
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written by road tripper , March 26, 2008
Most of the gangs in Tracy are Latino. It's just demographics. There are others, but not many that make it to the paper I guess.
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written by Carol H. , March 26, 2008
Again, this is turning into a racial "blog" and a blame game. I also agree with Rick Tracy. Many many people from the bay area moved to good old Tracy in the 90s to buy cheaper homes. I still consider Tracy the bay area. Its a commuter town. This article was in depth and very thought provoking.
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written by InAGoddaVida , March 26, 2008
WHY DON'T ALL OF YOU 'BAT' GNG-BANGERS GO BACK AND STAY IN THE BAY AREA. THE REASON CRIME IS GOING UP HERE, GANG BANING MOMMYS AND DADDYS ARE GETTING LAYED OFF OR HOURS CUT BACK AND POOR JUNIOR IS FEELING THE TRICKLED DOWN EFFECT OF ALOWENCES BEING CUT ABCK OR OFF. NOW JUNIOR IS RIPPING OFF OUR VEHICLES TO SUPPLIMENT THE LOSS. GO BACK AND STAY THERE.
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written by InAGoddaVida , March 26, 2008
AND TAKE ALL OF THE JERRIMIA WRIGHT FOLLOWERS WITH YOU. THIS CITY STINKS ANYMORE.
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written by InAGoddaVida , March 26, 2008
C.R.I.P.S. = Cowards Run In PackS and so do bloods and nortinio-natendos and serinos.
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written by david perkins , March 26, 2008
Why did I move my family???? DUUU
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written by Dirk Diggler , March 26, 2008
CANT STOP WONT STOP!!!! SO JUST SAVE YOUR BREATH AND GO HOME TO YOUR WHITE PICKETT FENCE AND SOCCER PRACTICE!!!!
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written by baby doc , March 26, 2008
SAD - you are very wrong in your comment, the military is actually half philipino!

jason farmer
USN - AVT
BMC MCAS Miramar
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written by DC , March 26, 2008
I would have to say that California as a whole is going down the tubes with all the friggin idiots in our society, from Sac to the bay with all these hyphy idiots to the whole central valley filled with all the meth coming from mexico, to L.A. where you almost have to know spanish to find a job! I would love to move out of California but this is all i know, and i'm not leaving my home and letting all the scum bags win!
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written by hermanhesse , March 27, 2008
Many legal residents were children of illegal residents.
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written by SAD , March 27, 2008
DID U FORGET CALIFORNIA WAS PART OF MEXICO
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written by David roach , March 27, 2008
SAD, KEYWORD IS "WAS"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DUMB A$$
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written by tarcyisghettonow , March 27, 2008
Tracy is full of racial bigits.
I use to be one of them
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written by tracyisghettonow , March 27, 2008
even I know taht this clown is not David Rocha!
Looooooooser! smilies/cry.gif
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written by Turn in the Meth dealers , March 27, 2008
Crime in Tracy is driven by meth heads. If you know a meth dealer turn him in. The drug problem in this town is enormous. I have lived here 30 years and there has always been gang issues. But the Meth problem is driving crime on Tracy Streets. If you want to clean up the town turn in the Meth dealers.
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written by amy , March 27, 2008
I am seeing divisions among these bloggers, while each are passionate in their view, crime affects all of us, upper elite commits crime and gets slapped on the hand.. elites get special favors.

Middle classed crime gets locked up, racial difference in sentencing is pronounced, each state ruling differs in handing out sentences. Laws are looked at differently and rights are expressed differently according to the law which I think as well as the upper elite, it sends mixed messages to the younger generation.. visual media and music in the negative sense.. glorifying violence, corruption, and so on..

so that is why I see difference in these bloggers, but I noticed one thing they DO have in common, they just don't like crime!... Me, neither!
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written by Buck Z , March 27, 2008
The gang issue is not about race,every race has gang members...its not about poverty, every generation has had poverty (most above current levels)..to say "there is nothing to do", today's kids have more "things" to do than any generation before them....The gang problem is about CHOICES and ACCOUNTABILITY...These gang bangers are growing up in a cultural generation that does not hold kids responsible for their actions (they are just kids), a society that turns a blind eye to the problem instead of banning together and showing them that gangs are not tolerated, parents and adults who are afraid of kids? and everyone who believes the cops need to do more (but when they jam up a kid they are accused of racial discrimination), and finally, TO ALL THOSE WHO RESPOND THAT WE SUPPORT THE POLICE, IT IS NICE TO HEAR, BUT IT IS ONLY WORDS WITHOUT SHOWING UP TO THE CITY COUNSEL MEETINGS AND TELLING THESE PARENTS WHO CLAIM POLICE HARASSMENT TO SHUT UP, GO HOME AND PARENT!!
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written by amy , March 27, 2008
Parent's job to teach kids right and wrong, teach them the meaning of "accountability" by setting good example for your children. Teach them respect of other's and own property and teach them the consequence of destructing another person's property...

Teach them the difference between reality and unreality of what they see on tv and what they heard, and what they read. Parents are responsible for shaping the child's future by guiding him/her on the way to adulthood.. just because they can start walking and talking does not mean they can reason on adult level. Teachers teach educational materials, they are not babysitters. Police are law inforcer not playground guard. Time to rethink your parenting?
Just my view.
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written by DC , March 27, 2008
I agree with most of the crime these days are drug related, specifically meth related, we'll the gov't agencies say that 70% of the meth comes from mexico, if the gov't could just shut down the border that would help alot with the crime that we are seeing in California, as well as in the US. And the sad thing is that all three presidential candidates want open borders, so i only see the problem getting worse! And i refuse to call California mexicali, but it looks like thats where it's going. All i have to say is that you better take a spanish class or else your going to be in trouble.
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written by learntospell , March 27, 2008
this is sad, especially when the city is trying to revitalize the downtown area to make it more upscale like Pleasanton or Dublin.


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written by weallneedjesus , March 27, 2008
Yes its a really big problem. And its not just one ethnicity. Its all of the human race. What we all need is God to be more present in our lives. We as parents need to do our part in being there for our children and having GOD present CONSTANTLY. If we could get pass the violence of guns and such and spread more LOVE and have RESPECT for each other again that would have a better result. Its not about illegals its about those that don't have proper upbringing or supervision and are not taught to love and respect one another no matter what color or where you are from. I moved from the bay area 3 years ago also to improve my family and have my children raised in a better city. For the most part its has been good but like everywhere there is always evil. We have to do our best to teach our children and keep them on the right track and continue to guide them thru Christ, right from wrong and hopefully they will do just fine and spread more love. WE ALL NEED TO SPREAD MORE KINDNESS AND LOVE.
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written by MRS. ROCHA , March 27, 2008
I'M WITH MY HUSBAND. WHEN ALL MEXICANS MOVE HERE WE INTEND TO MOVE TO MEXICO. VIVA MEXICO
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written by Madden , March 27, 2008
TRACYISGHETTONOW & DAVID ROCHA

You two are and always will be a waste of SPREM!!!!! PLEASE DO NOT REPRODUCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! smilies/cool.gif
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written by SAD , March 27, 2008
DAVID ROACH SORRY THAT YOUR SOOOOOO MAD GOD BLESS YOU
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written by INFIDEL , March 27, 2008
A helpful solution would be to intsall a two year (minimum) mandatory draft. If we can give a license to drive to a sixteen year old juvenile, and allow that juvenile to vote at 18 and then drink at 21 (depending on the state), that juvenile should also help to protect those freedoms. Maybe that juvenile will get some good training, or job skills. Maybe there will be less crime? Maybe there will be respect once again for the public? Maybe juveniles will learn to respect themselves? The fastest solution will be a rise in gasoline prices. These worthless punks are so screwed up that they can't hold a job, and soon they won't be able to afford to drive their pimped out vehicles that have wheels more expensive than the vehicles itself! Pretty soon mommy and daddy or mommy/mommy or daddy/daddy won't be able to afford to foot the bill for their juveniles' toys and legal costs. I am sure Hillary and Obama have the answers! They are both too well familair with derilects.
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written by Dog , March 28, 2008
THE FOLLOWING IMMIGRATION LAWS ARE PROPOSED...

1. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools.
2. All ballots will be in this nation's language.
3. All government business will be conducted in our language.
4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.
5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office.
6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Any burden will be deported.
7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.
8. If foreigners come here and buy land...options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.
9. Foreigners may have no protests; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.
10.If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted & when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you...
Harsh, you say?.......
The above laws are current immigration laws of MEXICO
SO..........what's our problem?
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written by MRS. ROCHA , March 28, 2008
DOG---KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO YOURSELF
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written by MRS. ROCHA , March 28, 2008
TO (SAD) BITE ME YOU IDIOT
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written by MRS. ROCHA , March 28, 2008
(SAD) YOUR COMMENTS A REALLY IGNORANT. GET A LIFE, OR BETTER YET JOIN A GANG BANG TEAM. YOUR MOUTH NEEDS A FLUSHING
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written by DC , March 28, 2008
Great point Dog, i wish that we were as tough on immigration as Mexico, but with the gov't that we have now it would never happen.....and that's why the US is going down the tubes.
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written by Dog , March 28, 2008
To MRS. ROCHA - You must be one of those illegal aliens. Give me your address so I can call Immigration and have you deported.
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written by Dog , March 28, 2008
I am NOT a racist. If you want to live in this great country of ours that is OK, but do it LEGALLY.
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written by MRS. ROCHA'S LOVER , March 28, 2008
AMEN DOG!!!!!!
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written by amy , March 28, 2008
"gang-bangers travel to the Bay Area to raise hell. But more and more, the troubles follow them home."

gang-bangers as in banging the gangs (busting up gangs?) or do they just bang things around, on cans and telephones.. or bang each others heads together, or what? What does that euphism "gang-banger" mean and what is the point of raising hell?

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written by SAD , March 28, 2008
MRS ROCHA SORRY THAT YOUR BOTH SO ANGRY GOD BLESS YOU TOO
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written by MRS> ROCHA , March 30, 2008
(sad) go back to mexico. you fool. Look around you. everywhere you look there selling tacos. how do you say taco in ENGLISH give me wellfare and free medical. stupid americans. wake up america.
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written by DP , March 30, 2008
I think we need role models, or programs in all high schools to help kids that are in gangs. I remember not too long ago I was in H.S, we all new who were the gang members, was no secret to the staff. This problem can be taken care of from the root. I myself am Latino, but I never had any incentive to join a gang, never! I had strong family values, my parents always wanted us to grow up and be someone. It was so easy for myself and siblings to know our direction in life,
we had a road map, but the only person I can give credit to is my parents. So listen up parents, you need to guide your kids, because temptation can be any where, doesn't matter the times. And this is coming from a middle class latino growing up in the East Side School district from San Jose, not the best, and I graduated from a near by university and am a successful business person. A key solution, if the parents don't know how to educate their kids, school staff should educate parents and make them more aware of their kids, because many parents are not really there or involved with their kids. So there are solutions to the gang problem!!
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written by SAD , March 30, 2008
SORRY ROCHA BUT IM NOT GOING ANY PLACE IV BEEN HERE SENCE 1950 I WAS BORN HERE HOW ABOUT YOU MAY BE YOU SHOULD GO BACK TO Portugal.
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written by amy , March 31, 2008
DP, you said it very well!!!! Thanks! -amy


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written by amy , March 31, 2008
Our boat is heavy, crowded with people, only few have oars owned by the citizens of America, who does the rowing? Illegal immigrants or Americans? Americans!! Who gets tired from rowing.. and more and more illegal wants to climb aboard the boat..soon it will sink, all of us.. Americans and Illegal Immigrants and our way of life. It has to stop somewhere so all will live. Just my thought.
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written by DP , March 31, 2008
Yes Amy immigration is a problem. Regarding immigration, that's another problem apart from gangs. Just like anything else, there needs to be measures and restrictions so that we don't get over populated in the next 10 years. I'm sure many countries deal with these problems just like we do. I hope the government does something about it so that things don't get out of hand. Plus this country has always allowed quotas, and legal migration, visas etc., the correct way to come in, which means we don't completely close our doors. But what scares me the most is not just illegals coming in, but criminals or terrorist. Well, thats another subject another day. But security is very important!!
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written by DC , April 01, 2008
Hey DP I beg to differ with you when you say that immigration and gangs is a different issue. Have you ever heard of MS13? By far one of the biggest and worst gang in the US, and most of the MS13 come from south of the border. So with that said our government needs to step up and shut the border down for the safety of our citizens who are being terrorized by these gangsters that come across the border and make a living selling drugs and all the other criminal activities that they bring to our society not to mention the terrorists that are coming across posing as mexicans. Our government is failing us all.
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written by Angelo. S , April 01, 2008
Hey DC
Have you heard of N.L.R? or how about A.B? clear acrosss the borad the worst gang in America!
* Nazi LowRiders (skin heads)
*Aaron Brother Hood
*H.A'S




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written by MRS. ROCHA , April 01, 2008
ATLEAST ANGELO KNOWS WHO THE POWERFUL RACE IS
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written by Angelo.S , April 02, 2008
Yeah I do and thats the Humanrace!
If any one race was the "most" powerefuil race, They wouldnt have to feel so threatend and or hide behind white hooded mask, and strike inocent, and in most cases, powerless individuals.
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written by BernieS , April 02, 2008
Dear All Commentators,

Why are we having a discussion only about how to penalize people and race. Isn't this what the "gang" problem is about. Dividing people using "race" and destroying people with "violence". To the first comment on Mr.Hermanhesse, do you not see the correlation between the "gang" problem's race and violence problem with your understanding of using your view of "us" against "them" and using violence to solve the problem. Furthermore, the reason why parent's try to move their children away for better jobs and the lack of activities and jobs are more of a socio-economic problem that the Bay Area and the Central Valley is experiencing. There is a direct correlation between the economic downturn and rise of living costs with the increase of "gang" problems among youths. If we want to see a decrease in the "gang" problems among youths we should have an honest discussion about the following as a community:
1) Why is there a lack of jobs that offer substantial wages that would help Central Valley residents cover their living costs so they do not have to commute to the Bay Area.
2) Why are we building more homes then places of employment
that offer "living wages" for adults and teens. As long as the builders keep building more homes and not addressing the issue of bringing jobs to sustain the population we are probably going to see an increase in the crime rate and "gang" problem.
3) Why are we not having candid discussion about how the rise of our living costs such as food, energy and medical bills are directly or indirectly impacting our quality of our family lives. Such as the amount of quality time we can spend wth our children rather than working or commuting. How much time we can spend to be involved in scho