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| Students veg out |
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| Written by Julia Robertson | |
| Thursday, 20 March 2008 | |
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 West High student Sara Ward tried to convince her classmates to go veggie for a day during Meatout Day on Thursday. They were inspired to act after learning about the “The Great American Meatout,” a day devoted to spreading the word about vegetarian eating and animal rights. “We’re trying to get people to try vegetarianism for a day,” said junior Vanessa Rule, 17. Since it began in 1985, Meatout has grown into an international movement to try to convince people to give up meat for a day. Rule, who has been a vegetarian for three years, said she and her friends wanted to bring the event to West High. “We’re trying to spread awareness of the abuse animals go through and promote a healthy lifestyle,” she said. The group displayed pamphlets and fliers published by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, including one titled “Whose skin are you in?” They also showed the video, “Meet your Meat,” which showcases what PETA describes as the horrors of factory farming. When West High students largely ignored the booth, members of the group went around campus passing out stickers to try to spark some excitement from the crowd, to no avail. “They just laughed when I tried to explain it to them,” said 15-year-old Amrit Bhatti, a sophomore. “The kids just don’t care.”
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Bringing in awareness is good thing, but foisting your beliefs on others is bit of infringement on that person's right to eat meat.
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I agree that more humane method should be used to slaughter the animals, I have seen many on U-tubes and agree that the way they do it now is not right. Animals that gives us meat need to be treated with kindness at the end. Indians had it right, they kill it mercifully and give thanks to the animal for the life sustaining meat for the tribes. Would like to see mercy killing rather than agonizing, brutal slow death killing. Quick and painless. No crowding prior to death, no fear prior to death, fear increases chemicals in the meat and it is not good for the public to eat that, either. (you would not shoot a running deer if you don't want to eat gamey tasting meat.. that taste is from running and fear). I hope you will be successful in pushing for more humane way to kill the animals for our consumption. Sorry, I can't give up red meat. report abuse
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I am not quite sure the Indians "mercifully" slaughtered their prey. They certainly did not "mercifully" slaughter their enemies; why would the animals be any different other than those that might have been offered for sacrifice--which it really weirding me out at his point. Many do give thanks to the slaughter livestock when offering blessing--although I think we as the superior beings really don't owe the deceased beasts any praise or thanks. They should be worshipping us, not vice versa
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I hope I didn't confuse you, I am referring to the tribes who respect Mother Earth, Great Spirit, and so on.
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Not the violent warring tribes. Like we use violent weapons in wars, but we still eat meat, does that make us violent people? Pretty contradictory, wouldn't you say? report abuse
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Have you ever seen a Hawk catch it's prey? or a Bear catch wild Salmon? The Hawk and the Bear eat it's prey while it is still alive. Mother Nature is more cruel to animals than humans are. Make my steak medium rare please.
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I'm like most people. I love animals.
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However, a lot are better liked with a nice mushroom sauce over some good cooked rice. report abuse
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True, about Mother Nature, survival of the fittest.
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We are on the top of the food chain, can we kill animals with mercy? We have the intelligence and means to do so? I love animals, and I love meat. But I don't love the prolonged torturing in fun before their death (hours!) by top predator, man with brains. There are mean and cruel people who just enjoy seeing animals in pain before their death. Is this normal? report abuse
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It doesn't seem to me that these high school students were "forcing" their beliefs onto anyone as amy says. However, there are other ways to protect animals rights then just by going vegitarian. I am pro animal rights, but I just can't go without meat so I help in other ways. I buy soy milk. I don't buy any products that conduct animal testing. I go on PETA.com once in a while to get information on what products I should boycott. For instance Burberry has fur farms where they mistreat and abuse the animals they keep for fur for their products. POM, the pomegranted juice conducts animal testing for their products and have violated standards in their animal care and abuse their animals. There are other ways to help the animals then to go veggie! Go to the peta website, you would be surprised what goes on behind closed doors in the making of products you use everyday.
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Respectfully, Pro Animal Rights,
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I didn't say anything about "forcing"?? Do you appreciate it when any religious factions knock on your door and try to get you to accept their faith which they believe is the only true faith? Were they "forcing" you or "foisting" their beliefs on you? While I commend them for bringing in awareness and the go vegan for a day, and that there are options for people to choose if they wish. But to make them feel "guilty" of eating meat is called, what? Perhaps you can try to read all my comments? report abuse
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There's so many things wrong with so many of these comments. Where to even start?
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Well, the quickest thing to address is the idea that one can support animal rights and still eat them. That is illogical. If you support animal rights, you would necessarily find it abhorrent to eat animals or products derived from their domination and exploitation. I think the person that wrote that comment is a supporter of animal welfare, as are many here. While there is nothing wrong with preferring that animals we use are treated better (just as there is nothing wrong with preferring that people raped and killed were put through less pain and suffering), if you all really believe that the welfare of animals matters, then we should as a matter of course all agree that animals should not be used as property, period. (continued) report abuse
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Like humans, animals are sentient. That is, they feel. We know that animals can experience a spectrum of feelings from discomfort to joy. To subject them our trivial interests in taste, clothing or amusement makes us barbaric, considering that we are talking about life and death situations for them. No animal selectively bred and raised for our purposes avoids discomfort and nearly every single one of them is guaranteed to feel pain as the result of their handling. And, of course, the mortality rate is 100%. Even in the case of animals who are somehow able to be killed painlessly (and, if this is even possible, it is incredibly rare), the animal has been deprived of a future of pleasurable experiences, experiences owed to that animal by sheer virtue of the obligation imposed upon us for bringing him or her into the world in the first place.
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What it boils down to is that animals have similar interests to ours that thus deserve similar consideration. The only way to be certain that animals receive proper consideration is to stop subjugating their basic interest in survival and so on to our interest in what we have been raised to eat. When we recognize that this diet is not necessary to proper health (the American Dietetic Association has said for years that a properly planned vegan diet is appropriate for all stages of the life cycle), then we must come to the grips that any time we consume animal products, we are indulging in something we don't need at the expense of other sentient animals' lives, and surely we can agree that this is wrong. report abuse
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Then kill all the animals and grow soy?
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Kinda hard to swallow. I would rather see animals free roam, not packed in stalls like the stink farm along the highway... they should experience their lives with ease and have mercy killing at the end. This is what happens when companies get privatized, regulations get removed, all the requirements get ignored, meat inspector, so few of them. Instead of bashing people to eat meat, go after the companies that outsourced our food, meat, and so on. Go after those who do not value the animal's life. Go after those who used them for experiments, go after those who conduct them for cosmetic purposes, scientific purposes and so on... get to the root of the problem. I am still going to eat meat, but I am still going to treat my animals well. I will look at the alternatives and the nutritions it provides, but I should not be made to feel guilty, those corporations, special interest groups and others are responsible for the animals plight, unsuspecting meat eaters should not be scorned, those companies and their affliations, even wall street, should be sought after. I thought you had the power to make that change in the government to take care of those corporations? It never hurts to bring awareness. report abuse
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Better not eat the vegetables and fruits, we abuse our farm workers to pick them? If we eat them it is okay to allow the abuse of those workers, exposing them to pesticices, working under hot sun.. list goes on..
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Who are the defenders for them? And we enjoy the produce. Pretty illogical? report abuse
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"What it boils down to is that animals have similar interests to ours that thus deserve similar consideration."
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I never thought of it that way, Eric. My interests include archery, golf, Tolstoy, Pong, World of Warcraft, Grand Theft Auto and Democratic party politics. I would love to get together with a group of squirrels and mink that share my love of all of those. In fact, I have been looking to marry someone with similar interests. If I drive up to Enumclaw Washington, would find a horse with interests so similar to mine that we could get married? I know there are some people who share certain interests with animals, such as rapists (who share interests with chimpanzees and whales), gay rapists (interests in common with Gorillas), serial killers who kill for fun and sport rather than consumption(and thus have the same interests as innumerable species, including thousands of house cats and coyotes in Tracy), public masturbators, oh, the list goes on. Which animals have the same interests as You, Eric? You seem to be into animal rights or animal welfare. I have yet to learn of a non-human species that has an interest in that particular subject. report abuse
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so from where do the rights of animals come? never have seen them in the constitution!
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"This is what happens when companies get privatized."
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Wow, I didn't know privatization caused animal cruelty. Tyson Foods is publicly traded, so they must treat their chickens pretty well, huh? But wait, my family farm is privately owned and my chickens and goats are running free as you please, they are even less obedient than my kids! Hah ha, I guess I should get better at discipline. report abuse
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"Better not eat the vegetables and fruits, we abuse our farm workers to pick them?"
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I love you Amy. I can't think of an industry that causes more human pain and suffering than the agricultural industry, and not just too our workers but us managers work our tails off too. And just think of how many tule elk died to plant our strawberry fields? report abuse
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Do we even think less of the migrant workers than the animals???
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"But wait, my family farm is privately owned and my chickens and goats are running free as you please, they are even less obedient than my kids! Hah ha, I guess I should get better at discipline."
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So did my grandfather in Puyallup, Washington! Loved to watch them craze at the "foot of Mt Rainer" in the distance. When he killed his cows, he did it quickly, shot in the head, prior to that, they were loved, fed extra, slept in clean hay... that is how kind my Grandfather was. report abuse
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wow! I am very impressed by these high school students! I have been a vegan for a few years, mostly to help stop global warming (factory farming causes more green house gasses than all the cars, trucks in the world, check it out in a U.N. report released Feb. '06) and also because I love animals and can't imagine eating them anymore. It seems that if we want more peace in the world, then we need to stop killing! (... billions of animals...) Keep up the good work!
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For your reference:
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http://www.gospelway.com/religiousgroups/animal_meat.php Examples of People Who Ate Meat The Bible is filled with numerous specific examples of faithful servants of God eating meat with no implication that they did wrong. Genesis 25:27,28; 27:1-4 - Esau was a skillful hunter. His father Isaac loved Esau because he ate what Esau killed. Genesis 43:16 - Joseph had an animal slaughtered for his brothers to eat with him. 1 Samuel 25:18 - Abigail brought sheep dressed to eat as a gift to David and his men. 1 Kings 4:22,23 - Solomon, the wisest man who ever lived, ate oxen, sheep, deer, gazelles, roebucks, and fowl. 1 Kings 19:21 - Elisha slaughtered oxen to feed people. 1 Chronicles 12:39,40 - David and the people ate oxen and sheep when he was named king. Nehemiah 5:17,18 - Nehemiah provided for those who ate with him oxen, sheep, and fowl. Matthew 3:4 - John the Baptist ate locusts and wild honey. Note that many of the people ate, not just fish or birds, but "red meat": cattle, sheep, oxen, etc. If eating meat is immoral, then all these people were immoral and sinned in eating meat. Yet the Bible presents them as good people and never once implies they did anything wrong in these cases. [1 Sam. 16:20; 17:18; Gen. 10:9; Prov. 9:2; 2 Sam. 17:29] Subject closed. report abuse
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PETA.. news for you.
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AP Worker Sentenced in Slaughterhouse Abuse Saturday March 22, 2:15 pm ET Worker Who Was Charged in California Slaughterhouse Abuse Case Gets 6 Months in Jail CHINO, Calif. (AP) -- One of two men caught on videotape apparently abusing cattle at a California slaughterhouse has been sentenced to six months in jail. Rafael Sanchez Herrera pleaded guilty to three misdemeanor counts of animal abuse in a San Bernardino County Superior Court on Friday. Under the plea deal the 34-year-old Sanchez will be deported to his native Mexico after serving jail time. A conviction on the three charges might have meant three years in jail. The video shows Herrera and other workers at the Westland/Hallmark Meat Company dragging sick cows with metal chains and forklifts, shocking them with electric prods and shooting streams of water in their nose and faces. It led to the largest beef recall in U.S. history. report abuse
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My wife and I are vegan, been doing this for years, meat is too hard on our dentures.
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To eat or not to eat is a personal choice not a societal directive
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Stop eating meat to stop Global Warming? Is Algore applying for the position of God or what? This seems like a senseless sixth degree of separation. I remember the old idiom "The Devil made me do it", but linking meat consumption to God? I medium well believe there must be s Separation of Church and Steak. IMHO report abuse
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I medium well believe it is a choice everyone makes,too, whether they make the A-grade or not, I like the A-1 sauce on my steaks!
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And that does not make us bad people, just primed with a dose of reality... tad bit more though. report abuse
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Just too hard for me and my missus to floss our dentures! Pretty impossible.
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AMY: How were these students froisting their beliefs on others? They were simply trying to bring awareness of the cruelties involved in processing and slaughtering animals. Were they forcing people to eat a veggie burger? NO. Were they screaming at students? NO. I think it’s really interesting how in your posts you claim that you think animals deserve better treatment etc but lets face the facts, by eating animals (that you agree are tortured/killed badly) you support that cruelty. The only way for things to get better, for things to improve is to send a message to the companies by boycotting their products. What would you think of someone who said, “I don’t support sweatshop conditions, they should improve them but I’ll still buy the products made by these shops”. Does that make any sense? How is that creating any change? By buying the products you are supporting the companies that are responsible for these terrible conditions so please don’t go on and on about how you think the conditions need to changed because you are responsible for the continued support of these inhumane practices. Words mean nothing if if you don’t back them up with action. You can say things should change until you are blue in the face, but as long as you and others still buy the products, conditions will stay the same. The root of the problem = meat eaters because the companies would not exist if you were not buying their products. Change can not come about until the people of society change.
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IMHO08: You say humans are superior and that is what gives us the right to kill them but think about this, do our laws treat humans differently based on their intellect? The fact of the matter is that treatment is not judged soley on intellegence. For example, pigs are smarter than human infants and even some adults who are mentally challenged. Yet very few would claim that it would be ok to kill mentally challenged adults because they are intellectually inferior to the rest of society. One can not pick and choose when a sentient being can be treated differently because of intellectual superiority or inferiority. Don’t we have an obligation as a civilized society to be able to recognize and avoid contributing to the unneccessary suffering of all sentient beings? DOG: In the wild, animals kill animals for survival, they are natural carnivores.Contrary to popular belief, we do not need mear to survive. A healthy vegetarian diet is far more better than a meat eating one. The American Dietic Association, etc all endorse a vegetarian diet. If we have the ability to avoid a sentient being from suffering, shouldn’t we? report abuse
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HUGH JAS: An animal lover is someone who loves all animals, someone who doesn’t just pick and choose. Obviously if you love animals you would not support such a cruel practice. Chickens are crammed into small cages without any room to move around and are forced to lay in their own waste. Once their time comes for slaughter they’re hung by their legs with their throats cut and are dipped into boiling water. Many are still conscious when their throats are slit and some miss the throat cut all together, leaving them to be scalded to death. Cows are branded with hot irons, casterated and their horns are burned off all without pain relievers. Some cows are still fully conscious when their throats are slit and their legs cut off. Pigs tails are cut off, their ears are mutilated and they are casterated. Mother pigs are forced into these cold gesteration crates where they don’t even have enough room to turn around. How can this sort of suffering be justified? How can you, as animal lover, support this practice? If this sort of thing happened to a dog or a cat, the public would be outraged. report abuse
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LUIGI MAGGI: The constitution used to state that african americans and women were not allowed to vote. Was that wrong? YES. Did we change it? YES. JORGENSON: They share the same interest of not wanting to suffer. They experience fear and pain just as we do. We are are not asking for them to be given the right to play golf or vote, but to be given the right to live a life free of suffering. The rest of your post is not worth the time responding to because it is so irrational and disturbed. AMY ON RELIGIOUS POST: Subject opened. The bible also mentioned slavery, did it not? It said that wives should be obedient and serve their husbands. Do you think the practice of slavery was immoral? I bet you do, as you should. But since the bible never “implies it to be wrong” does that make it ok? NO. In the bible is says animals should be treated well, etc but that is definitely not taking place in factory farms now is it? Do we believe abusing a child to be a matter of choice? NO. When it is a case of suffering, there is no justification. report abuse
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Gawd, I gets irritated with folk that write long, verbose, exhaustive posts
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 Trying to hold the AMAZN AZZN back. It's okay if ya poling me, but when ya mess with her friend amy, she gets her wolverine on. I might benefit from that later Anyway, MayS: How fellatio can your comments address to moi be? A HUMAN baby? A Pig? Friend, ya need to chomp on a pork chop and have an anti-Bambi moment right about now. The smartest pig shall never equal the dumbest human. If the pigs are so dang Einstein, let them take up cudgels against their oppressors. And if a few dimwit humus-kinds wanna assist in the efforts, I still like the odds of the SUPERIOR meat eaters. So bring it on!!! Pigs are dirty azz animals that taste pretty damn good IMHO. AND, I'll put the Super Dog Beaver up against any damn pig ya can bring to fair. Again, bring it on. HUMAN babies, if they haven't pooped in their pants and if they belong to someone else, are mighty fun to be around. They even smell half way decent. Funny how the human mind works. Reading the AMASZN AZZN's friend amy's response had both of us kinda sympathetic to the animal cause. But, now you have us thinking who gives flippity-flop how that Porterhouse or Chop gets to our table, as long as it is cooked and seasoned right by HUMANS, it is fine. I gotz to thank you my friend, cause you have resolved a minor conundrum for me, and I shall sleep better. The AMAZN AZZN? She's still gotz the wolerine mentality going. You might have helped me on TWO accounts IMHO report abuse
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I worry about the vegetarian diet... plants have sensitivity..
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Scientists Prove Plants Feel Pain, Vegans Face Starvation DALLAS--Research scientists at Baylor Medical Center have proven that plants. I love plants in my house, around the house, and care for them well... http://www.department13designs.com/vegan.html Lots more where that came from.. let's have plant awareness day.. in constant threat of being devoured by domestic animals...Poor plants!!! I saw a pig come out of DMV office, all pleased, can't wait to drive a car! Saw a cow come out of voter registration's office.. The IRS is befuddled.. Just can't win, you go ahead and try to make people stop eating animals, I will go ahead and make sure they have life of ease and comfort .. mercy, quick killing at the end, not slow death like chewing the fat of unreality. No prob explaining how the students, "foist" their beliefs on others, you do fine a example MayS...its all there, tenacious and persistent, thank you for not tossing blood on this blog, or V-8.. both are wrong? Bad meat, tossed out, MayS brand. Don't eat the veggies, fruits, and fiber... they feeeeel! AMAZN AZZN, it's ok, it's ok... you can relax now. report abuse
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You can go ahead and place animals above you... Religous sects have problems with PETA. Can't say, "fish" without riling them.. unbelievable, sorry, just don't have much faith in your sense of priority.
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I'll try to keep this short so I don't end up irritating IMHO08 with a long post.
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First, I don't believe these students were "foisting" or "forcing" (imposing) their beliefs on anyone but were simply attempting to provide awareness and alternative information. Second, while the scriptures do dictate a diet for humanity and some meats are patently forbidden, the consumption of meat is not considered to be a sin and therefore nothing is wrong with it from a scriptureal perspective other than to ensure the animal is killed humanely. And honestly, you want to kill and prepare the animal humanely because it will taste better when you eat it. A lot can be gained in health aspects from following a purely vegan diet. This is a well known established fact that has been proven over and over again. But it doesn't mean that everyone has the knowledge or wherewithall to be able to follow a purely vegan diet properly without risking their health in the process. On the vegan side of the equation, perhaps these people would get a lot further if they in deed did not use any animal byproducts at all such as, leather belts, shoes, seats, pants or wool sweaters, coats and the like, and concentrate more on the healthful benefits of being vegan instead of pointing out the flaws in someone else's lifestyle. You would probably get a lot further in your cause. Personally I am a meat eater with vegan tendancies. I also abhore the mistreatment of animals, especially the two legged variety we call human beings. But none of this means that I won't utilize an animal for food or execute an animal because it cannot be controlled and is killing other animals of it's own species or different species. There is a lot more I can say on this subject but in difference to IMHO08 I'll stop now. Dave Hardesty report abuse
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Mr. Hardesty, I sure wish I had such powers over the AMAZN AZZN
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 And amy I constantly see why she likes you so. I am becoming a bit smitten myself. Just not sure I gotz room for two outrageously feisty chicks in my life. Sorry, think I drifted a bit IMHO report abuse
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"On the vegan side of the equation, perhaps these people would get a lot further if they in deed did not use any animal byproducts at all such as, leather belts, shoes, seats, pants or wool sweaters, coats and the like, and concentrate more on the healthful benefits of being vegan instead of pointing out the flaws in someone else's lifestyle. You would probably get a lot further in your cause."... that's right Dave.
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Yes, Yes, show the people alternatives to leather shoes, (I would not ever wear a fur coat)- my choice- but show alternatives in wearing apparels. To show many ways people can replace animal products with alternatives will reach more people quickierest! Show that it is beneficial in alternative eating habits. People need more education on the "alternatives" besides just consuming meat... leather vest.. alternate would be denim, or other material not using animal product. Soy burgers are darn high in sodium! Is that part healthy? The more people get the friendly awareness, the more the word by mouth gets around, more people would have been enlighted and may make a new choice in their lives. I think this is the best approach, just my view. Thanks IMHO and AMAZN AZZN! Good input Dave, couldn't have put it better. report abuse
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I forgot, can't use flax, cotton, and so on... too painful for them.... no wooden shoes either, poor trees!
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I apologized to the patch of grass when I accidently stepped on it from the sidewalk... Mea Culpa!!! report abuse
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You do treat animals better than people, PETA would accost people coming out of resturants because the meats served there. Verbal Terrorism? "Blood" thrown at them,causing psychological trauma.
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Time to change your tactics, PETA? report abuse
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If any member of PETA throws any blood or V-8 or red paint on my person or my family member, I will have lawsuit waiting for you!
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What is needed to feel pain? Lets see a central nervous system, pain receptors and a brain. o plants have these? Nope. Sorry Amy, plants do not feel pain as animals do. You know that there is a fundamental difference between cutting your lawn and mutilating a pig. I could only hope you are not that ignorant to compare animal suffering to that of plants. And if you care so much about plants, you would save far more by eating them directly than by consuming farm animals who CONSUME far more plants than any human. So if you want to play that card, you are then responsible for far more plant deaths than a vegetarian. And Amy since you claim to care so much about animals and about improving their conditions why don't you tell everyone what YOU ARE PERSONALLY DOING TO REACH THIS GOAL? All I see is that you are supporting the companies that keep and slaughter animals in terrible conditions and simply complaining about them while you chow down on a scalded chicken leg.
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Chicken!! Sounds good, going to get Kentucky Fried Chicken tonight, thanks for helping me plan my menu!
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Wow what a comeback! Can't defend your argument or something? Instead of making immature comments why don't you try to come up with an argument in which you can actually defend or atleast respond to mine with rational thinking. Lets see you didn't answer what you were doing to improve the conditions of animals and you couldn't seem to back up your plant theory and could only respond with a childish comment. Interesting.
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I think you two need to actually read my posts and respond to them with logical thoughts instead of arguing against something I never said. IMHO08, Did I say that pigs were like Einstein? NO. Do you think it's ok to treat a severely mentally challenged person badly because they are not as smart as yourself? No right, because that person still feels pain, still experiences fear. I think it's funny how you mention pigs because they are actually the smartest animals outside of primates. They are smarter than dogs, cats and studies have shown that they have the intelligence level that is higher than average 3 year old. But yet pigs are allowed to be abused and tortured. So once again treatment is not based on intelligence now is it? AMY: I think animallover refuted your plant argument well so I don't need to address that but when did I say that animals should be above humans? Never said that. Please stick with arguing with what is actually said instead of making things up for you to argue.
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Animallover, check all my comments, R E A D..? Guess you need a pig to read from the blogs for you? I made myself very clear!
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You want me to respect your views, try respecting mine and all meateaters views. Salad eaters, too we are the super carnivorous and herbivorous and omnivorous.. developing voracious appetite.. bye and Bon Appetit. gonna enjoy my dinnah!! report abuse
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As far as I am concerned the only right an animal has is the right to end up on my barbecue.
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Lets improve the living conditions of humans before an animal.
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Who is the one making rude jokes and comments? lets see
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"Chicken!! Sounds good, going to get Kentucky Fried Chicken tonight, thanks for helping me plan my menu!" "I apologized to the patch of grass when I accidently stepped on it from the sidewalk... Mea Culpa!!!" Instead of making an argument or coming up with something rational to say you instead make jokes like these. How is that being respectful of my view? "Bad meat, tossed out, MayS brand. Don't eat the veggies, fruits, and fiber... they feeeeel!" Why are you insulting someone here for their view, she only spoke the truth. "I saw a pig come out of DMV office, all pleased, can't wait to drive a car! Saw a cow come out of voter registration's office.." Another ridiculous attempt at a joke that has nothing to do with anything that was said. You are bashing people who are trying to end the suffering of others, something you claim to do. Yes i did read your posts, so why don't you point out to me where you said what you have done to stop the suffering of farm animals? Because I DON'T SEE IT. Show me where you responded to what I said about plants? I DON'T SEE IT. Don't lecture me on respecting views when you surely don't respect mine. Making opinions based on society norms and not using rational thinking is not something I can respect. I will respect you when you can back of your views. You are conforming to what society tells you is ok and not making your decisions based on your own reasons. If that's the why you want to live your life, blindy, then go ahead but I choose to live life by looking at the facts and making my choices based on those facts. report abuse
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DOG: Tell me then please what exactly YOU PERSONALLY are doing to improve the lives of humans? My goal in life is to not contribute to unneccessary suffering, animals included. Does that mean that I don't care about humans? No. I intern for a humans rights organization, I'm going to be a social worker. I choose to make the simple choice to go veg, that does not compromise my committment to human rights but only stregnthens it. Did you know that we have enough food to feed the entire world population but yet crops that could be used to feed the hungry are instead being used to fatten up animals used for food? So not only am I not supporting the cruel practices of factory farming but I am also not contributing to world hunger. What are you doing to help?
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I am a member of the Humane Society, no way will I ever join PETA! You can help the Humane Society by joining them to see the animals' suffering ends.
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March 24, 2008 UPDATE: PETA Killed Over 97 Percent of the Animals in its Care in 2006 2,981. That’s how many dogs, cats, puppies, kittens, and other "companion animals" died needlessly at PETA's hands in 2006. According to the group's own records, PETA employees killed more than 97 percent of the flesh-and-blood creatures in their care that year. Compare that with the Norfolk (where PETA is based) Society for the Protection of Animals, which euthanized only 38 of the 1404 animals placed in their care that year. Even the Norfolk city pound managed to release or adopt out more than half the number of animals it euthanized. While PETA collects millions in donations by pretending to advocate for the welfare of animals, the group has killed 17,400 pets since 1998. Some animals are killed at PETA headquarters and stored in a giant walk-in freezer. Others are killed in roving death vans and tossed into dumpsters. In fact, less than three percent of the animals handed over to People for the "Ethical" Treatment of Animals actually survive. report abuse
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I am well done here, hope the vegetarians don't scare caring people with their aggressiveness. We both lose if we don't make efforts to make awareness more obvious. We have different views on animals.
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Should not dictate to anyone on what they can eat or not, except for doctors, nutritionist and moms! As I explained in the earlier posts, go after the corporations that deregulated the quality of animal care and the killing, go after the "meat rustlers" who sells animals over the border Humane Society will show the way. I did overlook the fact I had not provided the information on how I go about it, mea culpa, but chicken still tastes great. Thank you and good night. report abuse
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Un momento, here is the website for Humane Societyt
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http://www.hsus.org/ report abuse
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Like I said earlier, the corporations, the factory farms will not change if you and others buy their products! That's how the system works. Instead you are supporting the cruel practices, bottom line. I know the website of the humane society thank you, I support them of course. Why don't you take a look here: http://www.hsus.org/farm/resources/pubs/gve/
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They endorse a vegetarian lifestyle. Great way to end things, proves once again that you can't justify the consumption of meat by giving arguments. I've provided arguments and examples, you've provided insults and jokes. report abuse
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I'm sorry if you took my lighter moments as insult, not disparaging anyone.. just tired of those who insist for justification where none is due...
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Just seems to me you want to sabotage those who may want to join. Things were just too tense, and it is taking the attention from animal well being by making it so personal. Is that good for the animals? By the way, why do you single me out? report abuse
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How am I sabotaging those who want to join? I am simply stating a fact. By buying products from these terrible companies, you are supporting them. What's good for the animals is for people to stop supporting these companies because that is the only way the conditions will change. Like I said, you say you care for animals and think it's wrong what they do in factory farms but you give them the money to do it! I am simply pointing out a fact, trying to make you aware that you are supporting the very practice you oppose. I am not singling you out, I was repsonding to one of your posts as you did to mine. I believe in rational thinking, providing support and evidence for my beliefs, I guess you do not.
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Hey! Turn over, wanna paste you.. animallover, you look delicious!
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To animallover. And what are YOU doing to improve the life of humans. I am eating chickens, cows and pigs as a way of animal control. We don't want them to take over the world do we?
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animallover you have pets? Why, animals are kept in cages.. you support cruelty.
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Ditto, h!
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(If any member of PETA throws any blood or V-8 or red paint on my person or my family member, I will have lawsuit waiting for you!) report abuse
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Do you even want to go down the pathway regarding supporting companies that do bad things in the creation of their products or cause bad things to happen to their customers in the name of profit? Hum, let me see, Anheuser-Busch, Pepsi-Co, Heineken, Johnson & Johnson, Heinz, GM, DuPont and a whole host of others that you probably support by purchasing their products either directly or indirectly come to mind. And being that you are demanding an answer from these people I will remind you I ask YOU if you were vegan or ova-lacto and you have not responded. It seems a little unfair for you to expect others to answer your pointed questions and then have you get upset at them when they don’t, when you do the same. Unless you shop or obtain your food and supplies from businesses that have absolutely no usage of animal products, either for food or clothing or in any portion of the other products they sell, makes you a hypocrite to suggest that others should be doing the same and those people will reject your argument no matter how sound or factual it may be. While it would be nice if we had some of those types of stores in the area, I cannot think of a single one, including the one on 11th street, that don’t have some type of animal byproduct offered for sale and I do shop there. Hopefully you can comprehend that when you go to a business that serves or sells any animal byproducts for consumption and only order salad or only plant fiber for wear, you are still supporting those businesses, the businesses that are exploiting the usage of animals and their byproducts for profit and thereby lead to the so called inhumane treatment of animals you are so passionately concerned with. report abuse
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animallover cont.
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Your obviously self-righteous and accusatory posts completely illustrate my point in that perhaps you should “concentrate more on the healthful benefits of being vegan, and teaching that from example, instead of pointing out the flaws in someone else's lifestyle. You would probably get a lot further.” Convince them by example with sweetness, compassion and love instead of brow beating them over the head and sanctimoniously pointing out their problems when no doubt you have problems of your own that need some work. In short, perhaps you should wipe the mote out of your own eyes so you can see clearly to remove the beam from the eyes of your fellow man. Oh, by the way, having lived longer than you I have seen significant improvement on the way that animals are managed today compared to what went on in the 50s and 60s. Not all of these "farms" are guilty of the heinous methods of animal cruelty you have suggested here. In fact most companies run good businesses if for no other reasons than people like my self have enacted laws to prevent them from doing so. It's not a perfect world and never will be but things are not as bad as they were several decades ago. Dave Hardesty report abuse
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Jeffry Dahmer, why don't you provide an argument instead of making pointless jokes. Cats, dogs etc were domesticated a long time ago, was that right? No, but they are. So now it's our responsibility to care for them and watch out for their well being even though we do a crappy job with that.
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DOG: If you would have read one of my earlier posts you would have known that I already answered that question but just to please you, I will again. I intern for a humans rights organization, specifically domestic violence. I work with children who have been affected by the violence. I've gone to various events to raise awareness about the suffering of humans in various parts of the world, like the Global Night Commute, ending the genocide in Darfur etc. report abuse
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DAVE HARDESTY I would have responded the question if it had been asked. Look at your post before you accuse me of anything. I am vegan, I do not wear fur, leather, wool, silk, buy products that animal test or eat any animal byproducts. I am well aware of how to live a vegan lifestyle. If you look in safeway, savemart, the health food store etc, they all have a vegetarian/vegan section, maybe you should check it out. I think it's great that things have improved, but they are still not good enough. Did women settle when they got the right to vote? No they still kept fighting for equal rights and still do today. What would happen if everyone just settled for mediocre conditions, then nothing would have ever changed. The majority of meat does not come from those lovely "family farms", that's a thing of the past though a small percentage do still exist. Meat companies are made with one thing in mind, money. That is why chickens are crammed into tiny cages and pregnant pigs don't even have enough room to move around. It's so they can fit as many animals as possible to make as much money as possible. If asking for well thought arguments is accusatory or self-rightous, then that's just sad. But then again that it is the reason Socrates was put on trial and executed, because people couldn't stand to be told to defend or provide evidence to support their argument. I have defended every position I have given and have asked |
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