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Written by Jennifer Wadsworth / Tracy Press /   
Saturday, 05 January 2008

 

After years of lagging behind other communities, the City Council will consider adopting incentives to encourage construction of more affordable housing.


A change in the winds?
During Tuesday’s City Council meeting, council members will discuss adopting incentives that could allow builders to construct more affordable housing, such as the Village Apartments on Sixth Street, for seniors and other low-income groups. Glenn Moore/Tracy Press
 

To prompt developers to build more affordable housing, the City Council on Tuesday will discuss adopting state-led incentives that could allow builders to pack up to a third more apartments and condos into a given property than local zoning laws normally allow — on condition that the added units are cheap enough for poor and senior tenants.

If approved, the ordinance could make Tracy’s cityscape more urban than suburban within a decade or two by rewarding developers that build smaller yards, multiple-family units and taller buildings, city officials said.

"The overall philosophy of smart growth is that you do go denser. You do whatever you can do to keep from spreading," Councilwoman Evelyn Tolbert said.

She said that, as a past member of the League of California Cities, she pushed for years to get the state to amend density bonuses to encourage more low-income and senior housing.

"Sprawl is a no-no when you’re sprawling into farmland," she said. "And Tracy has farmland on the eastern, Banta side. So we’re looking at ways to prevent us from encroaching on fertile land. We’re going to build up instead of out."

Smart-growth proponents say the move is about 15 years too late, but it’s a step in the right direction.

"It’s like saying, ‘I finally got my driver’s license,’ when it was required in the first place. The city has been responsive to subdivision developers, but not to the needs of other people," said Celeste Garamendi of Tracy Region Alliance for a Quality Community, a group that has pushed the city to reform housing policies that favor market-rate developers. "This is nothing novel. Tracy will finally meet one small requirement that is standard in every other community. This just shows how slow the city is and how far behind we are at meeting this need."

According to San Joaquin County’s housing allocation requirements, which are updated every eight years, roughly half Tracy’s housing should be appropriate for moderate- to very low-income residents, but only about 30 percent of the housing stock meets that definition.

"The City Council just didn’t have any advocacy groups pushing them to change things," said Garamendi, who charged council members with pandering to developers. "But if they had nonprofit housing groups like they have in Sacramento and the Bay Area, the city could have been sued for not meeting legal standards."

Until recently, Tolbert said, Tracy had no need for affordable housing, because market-rate homes in town were affordable compared with their Bay Area counterparts.

"For people out of the area, Tracy homes were cheap — it was affordable housing," she said. "I don’t think a year’s gone by that the council hasn’t talked about affordable housing. The problem, and what we need, is more incentive for builders. We can cut fees and put builders on the fast track if they choose to build affordable housing. Density bonuses are a first step."

Already, builders have approached Tracy’s planning commission about including higher-density moderate- to low-income housing in near-future developments, without the incentives the city will discuss Tuesday.

"Developers voluntarily draw up plans to include lower-income units already," Tolbert said. "That shows that this is not a far-fetched plan — that people are already thinking about it."

Local developer Dale Cose, of Don A. Cose Inc., said he’s thrilled the city seems poised to adopt the incentive, though some stipulations might not sit well with most builders, he added.

In exchange for the density bonus, builders would be required to integrate affordable housing units within more expensive developments, but Cose said a lot of builders could be turned off by the idea of side-by-side low- and high-income housing.

"A lot of times, builders might want to separate the affordable housing and not put them in the middle of a pricier subdivision," he said.

Even with plans drawn up and the incentives with city planners’ stamp of approval, such affordable, condensed housing could take years to spring up, and the changes will be subtle at first.

Ultimately, Garamendi added, adopting the state requirements would someday make sure that people who work in Tracy can afford to live in town, too.

"Aside from all the touchy-feely talk about it being the right thing to do, there’s the practical objective," she said, "that the market is so top-heavy with high-end housing that as a city, we don’t meet the needs of our community. That’s a huge failing, and one the council has only given lip service to."

Developers shied away from building affordable housing in Tracy for many years because it was not economically feasible, Cose said. Nearly 70 percent of Tracy’s homes are owned by Bay Area professionals — people who could afford and were eager to buy at market rates. Developers were more than happy to meet that demand, even if it meant making affordable housing a lower priority.

"When your land costs so much money and it takes so many years to develop, and when the construction costs so much, you put all those totals together, and it ends up making more sense for builders to make market-rate housing," he said.

"But now the market rate has dropped," he added, "so it makes sense now to get more cheaper housing."

To engineer an affordable subdivision, developers buy tax credits farmed by nonprofits like Bay Area-based Eden Housing, which jumps through hoops for government agencies to get approval for senior homes and other low-income developments. Companies that need tax write-offs buy the collected credits and push for the affordable housing project to go through.

"Once they’ve got the go-ahead, then a developer can take them up on it, but the entire process is time-consuming and arduous," Cose said.

Another incentive that could boost the affordable market, Tolbert said, is for Tracy to institute "fast track" bonuses — an agreement with the city that if a developer plans to build moderate- to very low-income housing, the city will expedite permits and other requirements that could normally take years to complete.

Such bonuses are important to persuade developers to take on an affordable housing project, Cose said.

"Affordable housing is not free. The homebuyer next door to the moderate-rate affordable with the disposable income gets stuck with the burden to pay for the affordable home," he said. "The prices of the lower-income homes are already built into the market-rate ones nearby. So the developer fronts the cost at first, in hopes that a buyer will take it off their hands. But it’s a risk."

Also on the Tuesday council agenda:

The city will discuss whether to recruit umpires from the Greater San Joaquin Softball Association for $26 to $62 a game next season.

City engineers will suggest that the council approve paying consultants $30,000 to assess storm drains in Tracy’s downtown. The company, Storm Water Consulting Inc., was hired by the city in December for another $49,980 to examine drains in some of the city’s industrial zones.

The city will talk about whether to use $73,500 from developers to hire consultants from Fehr & Peers Transportation Consultants of Walnut Creek for a traffic study.

Based on a report in late 2007 that recommended the city hire three field supervisors and two maintenance workers for the city’s Public Works Department, the council will discuss whether to approve the new hires, among other suggestions made in the study.

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written by balasacker , January 05, 2008
Until recently, Tolbert said, Tracy had no need for affordable housing, because market-rate homes in town were affordable compared with their Bay Area counterparts.

well as a young person growing up in that time from tracy I could not afford a home. It sucks that the market has to turn in order to bring affordable housing because the fact is people are open to it because sales are down.

"that the market is so top-heavy with high-end housing that as a city, we don’t meet the needs of our community.

now you realise, damn for me, to bad we did not just have your slow growth and affordable housing at the same time.....

Dont get me wrong I am really happy to see this and its about time. Gives me a warm feeling in my belly. this will help out our town as a whole. I think cose is a good guy seems to always be looking out for the little man.

ohhh by the way jen nice writing latly........




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written by bob blinker , January 05, 2008
"I don’t think a year’s gone by that the council hasn’t talked about affordable housing. "

years and years and years have gone by, talking and talking and talking.

15 years, in !ve$ case. blah blah blah old people poor people they'll live somewhere blah blah blah

how long in forwhomthebell tolbert's case? how many years talking blah blah blah for all the less well off and less fortunate and less young people in tracy? all was well as long as the people without serious contributions were needy.

"The problem, and what we need, is more incentive for builders."
now the builders are needy. builders have contributions. who chimes up in their favor? who speaks in favor of developer incentives? who will finally speak for the poor developers?

forwhomthebell tolbert
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written by bob blinker , January 05, 2008
i cant wait to see the affordable housing components for tracyhil$/Surland
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written by bob blinker , January 05, 2008
$orry
tracyhil$/Surland/!ve$/pomblo/akt/$ou$a

i wanna see their plan for affordable housing. affordable is $400k?
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written by Ben Dover , January 05, 2008
Is the blinker guy on some mushroom-based, hemoriod, ointment?

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written by Ben Dover , January 05, 2008
Heres a hint dude, "apply" the mecs!!!

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written by Growing city , January 05, 2008
Hmmm, it would be nice to see some condos in town. I don't think we have that many right now. Other bigger towns have them: Pleasanton, Stockton, Modesto. I noticed they even put a pic of a Tracy apartment building. Probably can't find but a few condos here in Tracy. Nice pic., but it looks dry in that picture. Was that taken yesterday/today?
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written by Gerrymandering , January 05, 2008
Why did Gerrymander compare this to a drivers license? Sounds more like a gift-card from the State of California.

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written by Frank J , January 06, 2008
Great idea!!! Lets build some high-rise, government subsidized housing in the middle of town. That worked great for Chicago, Detroit etc. We can call the new neighborhood "Little Oakland".

Tracy PD is gonna get a workout.
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written by Frank J , January 06, 2008
woowoo
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written by Kathy , January 06, 2008
Nice to see the city council finally got off their high horse. Tracy needs local housing the local workforce can afford. Our family had to leave Tracy (and California) because we could no longer afford to live there. The wages were far too low to afford the place where we were living at the time which was pretty cheap at the time. Many people in Tracy working bluecollar jobs were only getting $10 an hour back then, even with two incomes money is very tight for living in Tracy with the cost of housing so high.
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written by amy , January 06, 2008
About time to scale back on the luxurious size of a house, (bigger house, higher energy costs, higher property taxes and so on) Put different size housing for different income bracket. Seems to be influx of high priced homes and yet many citizens are not paid high wages... economically feasible?

Good idea to build affordable housings for those who cannot afford or do not need all that luxurious wasteful space of a big house with huge monthly payments.
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written by Dutch , January 06, 2008
Boy, you hit the nail on the head Frank J.  Somebody please explain to me how increasing the amount of lower economic classes is beneficial to the future of the city.  Ask anyone on the police department what they think about this plan. Have ya been reading the press lately?
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written by Von Derr , January 06, 2008
Tracy is on eo the safest cities in CA. The police always complain. Case in point: not enought donout shops. That's another complaint. But this should have been done a long time ago.

To answer Dutch's point, the tax revenue on homes is one of the biggest factors in most cities. Tracy needs the money. More homes per acre = more revenue. Then you can afford more police officers.
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written by Gary , January 06, 2008
'Growing City' they obviously took the picture right after maintenence painted over the red gang graffiti.

'Von Derr' Tax revenue? What tax revenue? All of our tax "revenue" is going to the county welfare to pay the rent on these 'low income' places.
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written by bob blinker , January 06, 2008
!ve$'$ 15 years -
-inadequate sports parks
-inadequate jobs
-inadequate housing for older people
-inadequate housing for poor people
-inadequate city government
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written by Von Derr , January 06, 2008
I hear you Gary. Some of the low income residents will be on welfare and medicare, for sure. But don't discount that someone still has to pay taxes on those properties. And those welfare and medicare checks go where now?

Thanks!
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written by mr bananas , January 06, 2008
There must be a flaw in measure A that allows, for affordable housing to be built. Build then out of town over by Banta, or out by the prison.
I don't think they need to be built in the sphere of influence of the city of Tracy.
Build some small homes with a little more land, 5 years from now those homes will be worth what Tracy is today.
Lets think outside the box.

m. b
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written by Von Derr , January 06, 2008
That just shows that Tracy is currently not getting our share of government money. Time to straighten that out?

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written by Grade A Butter , January 06, 2008
Good idea banana, but isn't that SPRAWL?

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written by Preppy , January 06, 2008
Blinker,

Try Preperation-H. A lot of "mature" actors use it to make their face look "fresh".

Your getup is starting to get D-O-W-N!!!

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written by Prison Houses , January 06, 2008
Prison houses! I like that mb! That way they can have conjugal visits while they are over there.

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Seriously though, it is a good idea to "PLAN" the city structure. But we do have some other potential areas already. Can't we squeeze some more of them, in just south of the fire department (East of Safeway.)???

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written by Sign Sign Everywhere a Sign , January 06, 2008
Over by the mall is a good place. That way they can walk across the street to Wal-Mart, and put up thier sign that says,

Hopeless, please help



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written by Whistle Blower , January 06, 2008
I like the idea of putting those low income houses by the ACE TRAIN station. That way I don't have to listen to that DARN noisy HORN blowing in my windows, every morning.

Wake their arses up and go to work.

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written by Just Buzzing In , January 06, 2008
How about over by the airport airport. Then they can complain all they want about things getting high.

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written by I really hope that you do CARE , January 06, 2008
Seriously people, there may be some mothers living there who are raising children that will be hanging around this town in a ten more years. Think about how you treat them.

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written by ByronRoad , January 06, 2008

Hello... Byron road!!!

... over behind the mall comes to mind.

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written by bob blinker , January 06, 2008
!ve$ =
waterboy for
tracyhil$/
AKT/
$urland/
$ou$a/
and other developer$
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written by mr bananas , January 06, 2008
Ornellis and Souza have first right of refusal to build back of the mall. Or better know as Byron Road, or Meadow Muffin village.


m. b
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written by bob blinker , January 06, 2008
written by bob blinker , January 03, 2008

our votes will count only if the current council
DOES NOT "VEST"
either $urland or akt/tracyhil$

if they do, in the next
10 months (that's all they have left)
then we're screwed.

we're gonna get screwed for about 1% of the value of either $urland'$ or akt/tracyhil$'$ $cheme

we're gonna get screwed for about 20 years
that's a whole lotta screwin.
oughta get more than 1%

heck, if you doubled it it would still be only 2%

but 2% of what?

remember the U and V measures. they were set up so that if the economy went sour, the corporations would be released from the contracts. serious. that means if U or V had won, they would have been released from their contracts by now.

but what would they retain of the deals?

vesting

which means that they could sue the city to make the city do what they want.

and once vested, there's no way to de-vest them. they can sell their projects so that we have who-knows-who, like akt, running the show. or trying to run the show.

lots of help for $2 billion dollars
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written by What about the outlet mall , January 06, 2008
The last email was difficult to decipher. Looks like your computer has a virus.

But, getting back on subject. Let's put it in the big empty lot next to the outlet mall. That would be a GREAT place for it. And the outlet mall will never expand.
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written by Go North young man , January 06, 2008
But they may eventually want to expand that. It would actually be nice to have some shopping out there. Even mb's idea of Banta would not be a good idea because people with low income may need public transportation.

I say we develop the area northo of the mall, or north of the Freeway off of Tracy Boulevard.

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written by Welfare Mom , January 06, 2008
There was a time when Tommy Banana, (or whatever moniker he goes by) would have been all over the Tracy City Council for not having enough affordable housing in Tracy. Now all he can say is put them out to pasture. How am I going to get to work Tom - without the bus out there??? Think about it.
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written by Welfare Mom , January 06, 2008
"You campaign in poetry,
You govern in prose"


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written by Bo Bonkers , January 06, 2008
I say build homes in the 280's and up! So we don't have as many forclosures and ghetto stockton! We don't need low in come housing here. Because low in come housing is usually people who trash the houses! Then get them forclosed on.
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written by mr bananas , January 06, 2008
WELFARE MOM: You have it wrong? Tom said that he wanted affordable housing but measure A stopped that from occuring. The only way it can happen is to take it out of Tracy, and the general plan.

It can happen outside the city, as for transportation you need to buy your on car. Or do we have to supply the down payment and the public transportation for you also.
Get a life, most of us have our own problems with buying gas, insurance, and up keep. If you can't make here your not going to make it anywhere.
There are no guarantees in life. Sorry to have to expose the truths to you, but we are in a hell of a mess. God Bless.

m. b
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written by Welfare Mom , January 06, 2008
Well wrap me up, put me in a gift box and send me off to the projects with all the other "crack-heads". Is that what I am hearing?

You really think like that about everyone you don't understand???

I never trashed a house in my life and my two children ages 15 and 13 are doing good in school. No drugs or gangs. If you met them you would think they are the greatest.

Please don't assume that all low income families all fall into the same category. Step out of your world for a minute and think about it. I too, hope the city of Tracy is good city. But after reading a comment like that... I just HOPE that we will take the time to consider the needs of all people. And not just the upper middle class and people who look the same as each other???

$280,000.00 is a good idea. I am going to college now (almost finished) and hope to own a home someday too.

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written by Welfare Mom , January 06, 2008
.... in Tracy, not out on some back farm road. Where you can "just pretend we don't exist".

???

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written by Welfare Mom , January 06, 2008
... but if you can extend the bus out there. Ok.

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written by Welfare Mom , January 06, 2008
... at least I will know that you are thinking about me.

I hope.

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written by RandyRhodes , January 06, 2008

I am ok with B's idea, but with past history I am a little skeptic about these ideas. Sounds like another delay tactic to me?

The concern, if we move it outside the city and we can all squabble over it for another ten years while nothing gets done? Then blame it on Ives, Tucker, and Tolbert. And start all over again.

Let's keep making progress. Tracy is one of the safest cities and has shown a lot of progress already. Good job Ives!

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written by RandyRhodes , January 06, 2008
... Way to get it done. Everyone else, I hope that we can just avoid another Shulte Sports Park fiasco! Enough is enough!
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written by bob blinker , January 06, 2008
!ve$ hates affordable housing. always voted against it, against housing for the old and poor.
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written by Christy , January 06, 2008
Ives has been on the Council for 16 years - he went to the the Schulte site to delay it some more - Ives likes to delay - Ives doesnt' want to be accountable for his votes ... Ives doesn't want affordable housing, he votes against it.


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written by The Ives Have It , January 06, 2008
I like affordable housing.

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written by Stockton Joes , January 06, 2008
With the price of gas going up people from central valley are moving into towns like Tracy. If we don't have affordable housing it will be a bigger problem for Tracy.
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written by ACE , January 06, 2008
The ACE train station in Tracy makes it attractive for low-income families to move here looking for a low cost home with available public transportation.
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written by JohnieC , January 06, 2008
The problem is that if we do not develop affordable housing we will have problems spilling into other Tracy neighborhoods. This is the problem with Stockton. Good idea!
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written by Matisha , January 06, 2008
Bo Bonkers,

There are plenty enough of middle class people here in Tracy who have have foreclosed. And plenty of those houses are "trashed". I am not sure what your point is. Low income'ers need houses too.
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written by Christy , January 06, 2008
You can't get to the Ace train unless you drive there

No bus going to the Ace

Ives on the Council for 16 years = no bus to the Ace train
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written by Tracy Bi , January 06, 2008
I have seen people riding a bicycle to the ACE station. Some of them could do that. In fact, I have an old bicycle in my garage they could have. I have been wanting to clean that garage out anyway.
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written by Long time ACE rider , January 06, 2008
To be fair. There used to be a shuttle to the ACE train. As I recall nobody rides it. Only a few people took advantage of it. And many days they were not riding at all, so the service was discontinued. If interest picks up they will add it again, but you have to call ACE, in Stockton. not Ives. For the bus service you have to go to the City Council meetings. I recall people voicing their concern for the Tracy bus service extending the hours.
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written by Long time ACE rider , January 06, 2008
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written by Red Ryder , January 06, 2008
Sounds like over by the Tracy Airport would be good because ACE is out there and it would get the city to conisder extending the bus service to ACE at the same time.
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written by Young man , January 06, 2008
You still there old man?

Next year I am going to get you a box of depends, for Christmas!

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written by Ooooold man , January 06, 2008
Think so, eh ???

Next year I'm going to shove my cane up you @$$!

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written by wtf , January 06, 2008
Who woulda thunk. You can turn right onto Shulte. Just a little past RedBridge. I just drove down there. Too dark to see anything though. But, Thanks for the info!
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written by Smart-Growth Proponents , January 06, 2008
Like it!
Love it!
Need it!

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written by mr bananas , January 07, 2008
Welfare Mom there are no guarantees in life, you mentioned that you were going to college. Going to college is expensive I can't afford to go. Maybe you spend the money going to college on a down payment on a house and forget a college education. You made a choice to have an education, and be on welfare, you should change your major. Try political science you would make a hell of a politician.

:-

m. b
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written by Welfare Mom , January 07, 2008
mr m.b, Thanks for the advice. I appreciate that you are thinking about all people in Tracy. Hope we can get this done so that all the people in Tracy will benefit from what our fine city has to offer. Whether it takes developing it near Banta or inside the city there are also a lot of other considerations. Keep up the good work. Our government needs people like you. Are you a consultant for the City. I think you should be getting paid for your opinions.

Peace! And thanks again for the well wishes in my career!

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written by mike d , January 07, 2008
Great, lets run Tracy into the ground more. As if Tracy didn't have enough problems, bring in some more low income housing. I just got an idea for a city emblem, a trash can...
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written by Ubbo Coty , January 07, 2008
Before Tracy builds anything, it should build a sports complex. Get that over with. Build over by Durham Ferry Road and Chrisman or down by New Jerusalem Airport.
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written by FYI , January 07, 2008
ubbo

tracy has set aside over 14 million to built a sports complex - they already spent 4 million of it on the schulte site - why can't they get that back from pg&e (since they misled the city)

two complexes - one on the east and one on the west would do better and at a safe location

developers will build the affordable housing, but only if there are incentives and it is required by the council, which IVES, TUCKER AND TOLBERT refused to do - make it mandatory for each large development to have a certain percentage of their housing be affordable. they were sheltering AKT and SURLAND.




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written by mr bananas , January 07, 2008
What are you guys running for?




m. b
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written by mr bananas , January 07, 2008
Get the SP railroad to give the strip of land, next to Tennis village from Tracy blvd to Corral Hollow to build a sports park. That way the "commish" can watch it from his window, come on let the kids play.


m. b
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written by bob blinker , January 07, 2008
railroad?

whoa, the city is way too fraid to peek into what may be in that railroad area

remember they were gonna put a middle school across from old westpark?

that land is still in mounds. lots of detoxification schemes, and it's unusable. right over by the corporation yard. yaaaaah.

good place for the old and poor.
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written by Move'n on up , January 07, 2008
It's about time, the city thinks about low income housing. Tracy shoudlnt be a City where if you can't afford to buy a home, you can't live there type city.

Me and my wife have two incomes, and we can barely make it.
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written by maybenotdumBcommenT , January 07, 2008
m.b. Have you ever heard of a place anywhere where the railroad has broken up any land to sell off. I think you were being sarcastic about it, but you must not know much about the railroad. Well, maybe you do.
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written by mr bananas , January 07, 2008
MaybenotdumBcommenT: You sir are misinformed,I know more about the railroad then you think. That piece of ground has given the railroad a lot of trouble.
It is an eye sore and it breads trash and slums for the city of Tracy. They don't use it and I'm sure they would volunteer to lease it to the city for a small fee, just to keep it clean.
Mr. Benigno tells me has contacts with the railroad people, and maybe can get it done. Just some leveling and some grass, a fence or two and some parking is thats needed.
It's stupid to spend millions for something that is only used a few days a year.
To bad it's not a special interest parcel of land.


m. b
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written by bob blinker , January 07, 2008
the railroad land IS special interest land.

according to city policy, because it is concentric to downdown, it gets priority.

but it is dirty, dirty land. they're scared to touch it.

who wants to put kids on it? not even kryptkeeper.

but le$ $erpa, the le$$er, wanted to put old folks on it. (measure U) reallyreally pretty and reallyreally poisonous.

wonder how much uranium dust is on it.
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written by Ubbo Coty , January 07, 2008
written by Move'n on up , January 07, 2008
It's about time, the city thinks about low income housing. Tracy shoudlnt be a City where if you can't afford to buy a home, you can't live there type city.

Me and my wife have two incomes, and we can barely make it.

I support my wife and kids on one income, almost half of the year it is military income. I almost feel sorry for you!
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written by crimestopper , January 07, 2008
Low income housing= projects= higher crime. I’m sure people will take issue, but drive around and look at where the bars are on the windows. Look at crime trends, vandalism and gang problems.... facts are facts. Sounds like a bad idea to me.
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written by mr bananas , January 07, 2008
The railroad property is not contaminated next to the tennis village area. That land was once part of the Lourence Ranch, that was farmed by Tom Benigno until 1978.
Then after the Tennis Village was built Benigno farmed the land that we are talking about I think in 1985. It was never contaminated until the home owners moved in and extended their property lines beyond the fences out on to the land area. Where they now have a problem with campers and trucks and other goodies. It's all public record.

m. b
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written by I CARE too , January 07, 2008

Gerrymander = Sandbag!!!

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written by maybenotdumBcommenT , January 07, 2008
m.b. you are funny. Listen to bob. And besides that I know someone directly with the RR. I asked you that question hoping a light bulb would go off in your head. If the RR got rid of any land that would divide their line they would NEVER be able to get a train thru there. That is very valuable land. All the way from one end to the other. You would never know anyone high enough to get that property leased out. It is unbelievable the paper work and the lawsuits that it would entail if something happened on RR land if something happened on it. We could not insure it at all. You need special permission to spit on RR property m.b.
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written by Bo Bonkers , January 08, 2008
Low income housing is like asking for crime! Every where you go and there is low in come housing theres trashy people, who don't care about how they present where they live, they have trash everywhere. Tracy has class so keep away the TRASH! I am not saying all low in come families are trash, I have friends who are low income and there not trashy, I personally am not low income, I am middle class, I admit some tracy homes can be a bit pricey as I said before 280,000 and up should be fine. For low income housing they need to do extensive Background checks, I think thats what plays a major part in todays low income housing, they just rent the apartments and duplexs to people without background checks!
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written by Bo Bonkers , January 08, 2008
Also welfare mom see most, people on welfare say screw it I don't need to work, or try in life, the states paying for me. But kudos to you for going to college and trying! See you seem like someone I wouldn't mind living next door to. I am sure you know what I am talking about when I say most people think well I don't make alot so build me a big house that I can live in for free! Life is not about free stuff.
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written by I CARE too , January 08, 2008

Gerrymander = Sandbag!

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written by Blinkers goes Bonkers , January 08, 2008
Oh Yeah!

and...

Blinkers = Bonkers!

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written by un CARE ing people in Tracy , January 08, 2008
What a mean bunch of low down un-CARE-ing people.

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written by CARE to get a grip or continue being a drip , January 08, 2008
How sad!!!

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written by Silly Me , January 08, 2008
Bob Bonkers, is it?
Everyone is just a paycheck away from being low income or even homeless. Look at all the new people moving into the new homes in Tracy. Nice homes, but they have hoodlum kids, bringing their drugs and gangs just as well, so don't try and place the blame of crime and drugs and gangs just on Low income families. We have a lot of Malibu G'S outhere in Tracy. I like to call them 1,2,3's. They come to Tracy, but some baggy pant's (1), they shave their heads (2) and they put their hats on sideways and walk with a limp(3) and they think they are gangsters, they claim 415, 408 which are bay area gangs codes, but they live in Tracy, which would be 209. Go to the park in Hidden Lake, on a Friday night, you will see a bunch of Thugs out there, smoking drugs and drinking, they are all fro the bay, and the funny thing is, they are not Latino, everything else but latino.
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written by Gangstats , January 08, 2008
I have seen this for myself. Doing some research, in the prison system, there is a gang that has been flying under the radar system, called the others. The others, would be Chinese, Samoan, Portugees, Afgans, Cubans, and so on. And their doing this on the srteets, now. Tracy, they hang out at Hidden Lake. Manteca, they hang out at Woodward Park, They have them in Patterson, and all over. These are the people moving in from the Bay area, living in the newer upscale nieghborhoods.
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written by CARE should get REAL , January 08, 2008

You buncha Sandbaggers!!!

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written by CARE should get REAL , January 08, 2008

Give it a break Bob.

Gerrymander = Sandbag!
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written by You dont have a CARE in the world , January 08, 2008
You CARE???

HA! That doesn't seem like it.

NOW!!!

Just look at the number of foreclosed homes by middle class Americans in the Central Valley, Bob!

And, what's funny is that you can't blame that on Ives, Tucker, and Tolbert Bob. Keep trying though.

Many of them are in Stockton.

And they were not low-income homes.

It is about time to turn this around and get our share of govt money for the low-income homes like EVERY OTHER city.

We CARE too, Bob, and not just for our own special interests.



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written by You dont have a CARE in the world , January 08, 2008
Most Tracy neighborhoods are turning into da Hoods.

Wake up Bob!!!

You don't get it.
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written by Jacobs , January 08, 2008
OMG, what misinformation. It is so sad that people think this way.

Bob Bonkers, Bo Blinker, or whoever you call yourself,

I don't think that you know what you are talking about. Most foreclosures are affecting middle-class Americans. So to say that only the low-income families contribute to Tracy's societal problems is rubbish. The middle-class families can't even keep their shirts on their backs nowadays. The economy is getting rockier. And many middle-class American children are feeling the pinch. Look at how the white-boys walk and talk and dress. Ask a real police officer. Don't just make assumptions on a message board. Do you CARE enough to find out the truth. It is out there Bob. If you just go do the research. And the signs are all around us. And most Tracyites can clearly see that Bob.
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written by Bo Bonkers , January 08, 2008
Most low income families think ok well, being I am low income they owe me a 2000 SqFt house!

Doesn't work that way. You pay just like everyone else, and these low life kids the parents are bringing that think there all hard because they carry around guns, and shoot people, I bet if they had to actually fight those kids would be scared out of there mind! These dumb kids the parents are bringing need to learn they can't be doing this stuff! And every person in here cannot tell me that more than half of low income families trash homes parents, and kids! Not all but most!
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written by Bo Bonkers , January 08, 2008
Jacobs.

I am related to a bunch of Police officers......
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written by Cumbaya , January 08, 2008
Save it Bob-O: we're sick of hearing you!
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written by Silly Me , January 08, 2008
booooo Bob! Boooooooo Bob! Booooooooo Bob!
Not even Jimbo, want's to hear from you! Now that's sad!
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written by Gangstats , January 08, 2008
It is getting pretty old bob!. . . . . . . . . . . . . . The whole Ive, Tucker fettish thing you have going, and is pretty strange! you should go and see a shrink! May be this Jimbo guy klnows a good one!
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written by Jacko , January 08, 2008
Hello Blinker! Why don't you come and hang out with me and bubbles? We can make a new version of my hit song "Billy Jean!" we can even call it " Bo Bonkers is not my lover!"

Be waiting for you!
With affection:
M.J aka Jacko
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written by Bo Bonkers , January 08, 2008
Go ahead and tell me you don't like my thinking. Oh well