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| Written by Bob Brownne | |
| Friday, 21 December 2007 | |
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 Cameo was shot after he charged an officer, but last Easter she was dyed pink. Press file photo. The anger and sadness in the Holmes household is over more than the loss of Cameo, the family’s 2-year-old pit bull. The salt in the wound is the automatic assumption that the dog was a vicious animal on the attack when she was shot and killed after approaching a police officer Wednesday. The family’s version of what happened that day differs from the police version. Police said the dog charged out the front door and was within a foot of officer Steve Flores when he fired two shots, with one hitting Cameo in the head. The dog was taken to VCA Old River Veterinary Hospital to be euthanized. Dave and Jeanne Holmes owned the dog. Jeanne Holmes said she called police because her teenage son had threatened her with a hammer. She and her two younger children, ages 11 and 9, were on their front porch when officers pulled up. As officers arrived, Cameo exited the front door and barked at the officers as she ran across the yard. “Cameo was hearing that my daughter was distressed and came out the door,” Holmes said. Holmes said Cameo could have jumped over the white picket fence if she was really on the attack, but instead she went out through the front gate. “If our dog was lunging at the cop, she wouldn’t have gone around at the gate,” Holmes said. She said Cameo was well-known around town and interacted with people and other dogs everywhere she went, including the El Pescadero Park dog park. “She’s been with autistic kids, and we’ve taken her into senior homes,” Holmes said. She also showed cell phone photos of small children playing with Cameo. “This hurts,” Dave Holmes said. “This is a family member we’re talking about, who sleeps with my kids.” He said he is angry that police would fire a gun in the front yard of the house when there were children nearby. His children said that Cameo was at least four feet away from the officer when she was shot, and the family is upset that Flores failed to use less lethal weapons at his disposal. “Why wasn’t the mace pulled out? Why wasn’t the Taser used? And where is the second bullet?” Jeanne Holmes asked. City spokesman Matt Robinson said Thursday that Flores fired two shots, and police evidence technicians recovered two shell casings. Police routinely investigate officer-involved shootings, but Flores is still on duty. Holmes, who has bred American pit bull terriers the past 10 years, said Cameo was an ideal example of the breed and had been screened for personality, disposition, temperament and show quality. Cameo was one of five pups born to two other dogs in a line of registered show dogs, and she had eight pups of her own. Holmes added that she and others who breed these dogs constantly fight the perception that all pit bulls are killers, a notion fed by the media and carried by people who seek out the dogs for their reputation as a tough and strong breed. “I fight for these dogs all the time,” said Deeanna Ebel, a breeder who operates a pit bull rescue center in Snelling in the Sierra foothills. She’s a friend of Holmes and knew Cameo. “She had champion blood lines. That’s what she was bred for,” Ebel said. “Pit bulls are actually family-oriented dogs. However, there are backyard breeders who breed them for fighting. There are dogs that are bred to be mean, but Cameo wasn’t one of them.” •We want to hear what you have to say. Comment on this story at www.tracypress.com, or to reach reporter Bob Brownne, call 830-4227 or e-mail This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it Trackback(0)
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 written by Mel , December 21, 2007
"As officers arrived, Cameo exited the front door and barked at the officers as she ran across the yard."
To me, that is a sign of aggression. Doesn't matter if the family thinks it wasn't. The family may know how their dog acts, but the officer didn't and the dog showed clear aggression. "His children said that Cameo was at least four feet away from the officer when she was shot" And? So the officer is suppose to wait until the dog is 1ft away before shooting? If that dog was running and barking towards me, I wouldn't have let it get 10ft close to me. A threat is a threat period. In my opinion, the OWNERS are at fault for not restraining the dog when they called the police. The cop acted in self defense period. I hate it when people call police, then try to find a way to blame them for things they could have prevented.  written by pit bull owner , December 21, 2007
As a pit bull owner, this really upsets me. Now if this dog were a lab or golden retriever this would not have happened. It is understandable to be scared of pit bulls because they do have a bad reputation, but that does not give someone the right to shot or hurt them because they scare them. I own a pure bred pit bull and she is the sweetest dog. Very well behaved, very smart and she would never hurt a fly. I would be devastated if she was shot because a cop was scared of her. Obviously this cop put his safety before the safety of those in the neighborhood. Cops should not be allowed to go around shooting their guns at anything that may threaten them. My heart goes out to the family because not only was their family dog killed, she was killed for no reason and right in front of the family. This was just a coward cop who used his power in the wrong way.
 written by amy , December 21, 2007
I still hope the 13 yr old owns some of the responsibility, if he had not acted aggressively with the hammer, would it happen?
If it were the teen brandishing the hammer towards the cop,,(could have happened if Cameo had not intervented and broke the density of the situation.) that would be a different story.  written by Stephanie DeMotte , December 21, 2007
Since the woman initiated the call to the police, why then wasn't the dog put in a restricted area in anticipation of the officers' arrival? This is not the fault of the officers nor of the dog. This is the fault of a dog owner who assumes that all people know her pet like she does.
 written by juanito , December 21, 2007
Par for the course TRACY PD! :- If they show up the even make the wrong decesions!
 written by Lakota Native , December 21, 2007
To those who are ignorant about the breed. Pit bulls are very family oriented. and just as any dog would do, they are trying to keep strangers away from their property. I have had pits almost my whole life and never have they bit anyone. My two oldest pits are 12 & 14 years old. They bark and keep people at bay but, once you are invited in they just show you affection. They are great with kids too. I had a special needs child and they knew he was special and they were very careful with him. They have a good temperment, unless you train them differently. Then punish the person not the dog!!!
 written by lissa baroni , December 21, 2007
As an ex Pitbull owner, what a loss, the poor family has to deal with. I really feel for you guys!!
 I hope that one day people will finally learn how to deal with these stereotypes, as unfair as they are, they exist. My dog was once hurt and not one agency would come to his rescue and , that is a crying shame. Should it have been any other dog they would have been right there, I think that labs and shepards are really the more aggressive dogs, as the breeds are more popular. My prayers go out to the family and the dog. Best of luck  written by justthewayithink , December 21, 2007
I feel for the family. BUT Mrs. Holmes called the police. Knowing the police were on the way Mrs. Holmes left the dog out wondering around the property. Knowing strangers where on the way to a VERY STRESSED HOME. Don't blame the dog or the police. Blame Mr. Homes. Why not but your dog in a room or the garage where it would have been out of harms way. I don't think the police officer would have acted any differently if it was another breed of dog. The dog was coming after him and he reacted the way he was trained and feared for his life. I would think that if you were in his shoes you might have done the same thing
 I know I would have. written by Mel , December 21, 2007
pit bull owner wrote: Cops should not be allowed to go around shooting their guns at anything that may threaten them.
You have got to be kidding me right? You are ignorant for that statement. she was killed for no reason and right in front of the family. This was just a coward cop who used his power in the wrong way. The fact is the dog was a threat to the officer. That was the reason. You are definitely bias towards the dog owners. You have yet to even mention whether or not the owners are at fault. In my opinion as well as many others here, the owners hold the majority (if not all) responsibility for allowing the dog to escape.  written by WRZ , December 21, 2007
There should be some sort of intelligence test people have to pass before owning this breed and if you can't figure out that your dog is territorial and likely to charge police officers in response to the call YOU just made:
then you should only be allowed to have a gerbil or a breed of dogs under 20 pounds. ....... My dogs are only 25 pounds and I never let people enter our home while our dogs are loose. WRZ ....... ccdogpark at yahoo.com ....... google for: Dogpark-National-News and WRZ .......  written by LoveAnurse , December 21, 2007
Tracy Press::::where are the comments from yesterday, especially the fathers????????????????
 written by Tracy Press , December 21, 2007
Those comments are still on the story titled, "Officer shoots dog." You can find it by searching for it on our Web site.
The Tracy Press  written by june dabane , December 21, 2007
All dogs react to strangers to protect. But you called & expected the stranger & poor dog didn't know. Poor dog needed your protection, you failed but blame the officer? Let's be more responsible pet owners or we don't deserve our pets at all
  written by Anita , December 21, 2007
I knew this dog personally; she was a very balanced well mannered dog. I would have one of her puppies now had my insurance aloud me.
She was not worried about the dog being aggressive because she was not. As a mother there are times you have to prioritize. She was worried about the child hurting himself or maybe even someone else or that he may have even been shot by this trigger happy cop, not her well balanced well behaved dog!! Just because her child has a chemical imbalance does mean that her dog does!! The child has problems, so should they have locked him up or try to help him??? I don’t think too many parents out there would have to think very hard to find that answer!! One of CameO’s jobs was to help children with disabilities and she did! Cameo was one this child’s therapies. That was surly great therapy to watch law enforcement shoot his dog to death for no reason!!! And I’m sure that this child now has to deal with enough thinking he was the blame of this horrific ordeal!! And by the way, I know the owner personally and she is a responsible dog owner and don’t think she ever tied this dog up, she never needed to until a trigger happy cop showed up!! My hart goes out to the whole family! God Bless them and CameO rest in Peace. I loved you very much.  written by M.S. , December 21, 2007
I feel very sorry for you guys. I love pitt's myself and it's sad to hear what happened. But honestly the dog should have stayed within the gate or should have been put back inside the house where she was not able to get out. You are correct about the officer using another force. A gun should have not of been drawn especially with innocent by standards near. Officers need to think before they draw out a gun they have too many other pieces of weapons that could of be drawn besides the gun.
 written by blame the right people , December 21, 2007
"Obviously this cop put his safety before the safety of those in the neighborhood. Cops should not be allowed to go around shooting their guns at anything that may threaten them."
I can guarantee that if the officer was your family member, you would be glad he shot the dog. Why should an officer forego his safety of an aggressive acting dog?! That is the most ridiculous statement. You must be smoking something! The family is upset, but to suggest they should use mace or a taser instead is ignorant. Lock your dog up! An officer can not know that the dog volunteers blah blah blah. He or she sees a dog barking, running and coming toward them. Any intelligent person would know that they are within their right to shoot it at that point.  written by Jeanne THE wife of dave , December 21, 2007
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This is a reallllly coool video.. Yayyyyy Im happy go lucky now nothing will bother me because i know came0 will always be remembered by the people whom actually knew her.. blah to the rest.. Least the cop didnt die.. shesh.. lol !! written by Jeanne THE wife of dave , December 21, 2007
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written by Deez Nutz , December 21, 2007
Blame the right people get your head out of your ?!? The officer involved swore to protect and serve, at know time does it say to protect himself over the lives of others. Discharging a firearm with kids in the line of fire is selfish, I am an avid gun lover, beleive we should all have at least one in the house, but not even the NRA would get behind this cops neglegent attitude to firing off two rounds at dog that was on cement the risk he put children into far surpassed the risk to his own life. Blame the right people is just right if you would make sense when y ou talked the pitbull should have been put away, he should have his gun taken away for shooting and risking lives. so get over your high and mighty attitude stop defending a bad shoot. Petty people have short sighted minds and you sound petty to me.
 written by RightWingGuy , December 22, 2007
pit bull owner
WOW, you honestly think because the officer was in a neighborhood he should not have discharged his weapon? I bet your one of these wackos that believe gun ownership is terrible and we should just ban all the guns. You have a lot to learn, maybe go outside more often?  written by pit bull owner 2 , December 22, 2007
i own a two year old pit bull that was supposed to be bread with cameo and at first i didnt want to because i hadnt seen or met her but on the 4th of july i had met her for the first time and even with all of the people around her in the park that day she didnt show any sign of aggression or anything she was well behaved and calm... and for the people who are commenting on why Mrs.Holmes didnt lock the dog up during the whole ordile, maybe you should put your selves in her position... she was worrying about her children and herself being attached by her son she's not going to be thinking that her kind hearted PIT BULL was going to attach someone my love and prayers go out to the Holmes Family
written by Jeanne , December 22, 2007
Thanks a lot pitbull owner 2 i remember you, Yea it ws a great night.. she was freaked at the fire works and hide inbetween my husband and i with the kids in front of her laying on her.. she was safe then lol !!!!
 written by RightWingGuy , December 22, 2007
pit bull owner 2
I've attached a few periods and capitol letters if you want to use them in your next post. Don't use them all at once. ................................... ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ  written by Tod Harold , December 22, 2007
Maybe we should treat officer Flores like Barney Fife and give him only one bullet. As you can see he’s a 50-50 shooter, so there’s a good chance he may miss with his lone bullet or he may even shoot himself in the foot. Maybe they should issue officer Flores an airsoft gun. This would definitely ensure our safety from Officer Barbrady (Officer Flores).
I can see both sides of the story. I think the mother was distraught over the incident with her son and may have forgotten to secure the pit bull. I can’t blame the mother for that. On the other hand if I saw a pet pit bull barking and coming towards me I would be a bit fearful. How is Officer Flores to know that the dog is not aggressive? Mail carriers encounter aggressive dogs all the time and the only thing they have to defend themselves with is pepper spray. I think Officer Flores should have used the proper level of force, he should have used the pepper spray or taser first. If the dog continued to show aggression towards Officer Flores then the use of deadly force would have been appropriate. I think pit bulls are good loyal dogs, but pit bulls have a controversial history due to intentional mistreatment or neglect by their owners which is the cause for pit bull attacks. Don’t tase me, BRO!  written by maybenotdumBcommenT , December 22, 2007
I'm with Mel on this as I stated in the other post. I assume the investigation is still ongoing tho.
I have been watching the comments on this article and some just say that we don't know about pit bulls. I have seen them on both sides and I stand by the officers side. Had anything happened to him then there would be no help. Had the dog been locked up this wouldn't have happened. Obviously Jeanne called the police for the safety of her family, including the younger ones and the one that was threatening harm on himself. What happenened is done. I see not much in here about how the kid is doing, just the dog. My God you all, stop about the dog and worry about the son. You all seem friends with Jeanne and it is not her son so you are sticking up for her. Well Dave, I don't know how this makes you feel but at this point a human life is more important than a dogs. I am the ultimate animal lover. Ask all my friends but you all are selfish for not giving support to Dave and his sons illness. Now I don't mean all of you but you know who you are. Dave I hope your child will be on the mend and not blame himself for this because this was a traggic thing that happened and now he gets to know that people were more worried about the dog than him.  written by Steve Reshakis , December 22, 2007
The reputation of PitBulls is known, so why didn't the owner lock up their dog before the Police ( who they called)
arrived? Every cop deserves to go home at the end of Their shift safe and sound. written by amy , December 22, 2007
Perhaps she could not lock the dog up because the kid's actions were unpredictible and the mom had to make sure the hammer does not land on anyone, or the dog, or even the mom herself (stepmom). Cameo could have broken the tragedy that could have happened, kid running out with the hammer at the cops instead of the dog. I am sorry for the loss for the family, now the boy has to live with his actions and I hope he will rethink his actions and not repeat it in the future.
For the younger siblings, I know you will miss them alot, I am sorry for your loss and pain. I hope the days ahead will be brighter for all of you. I know the cop did not feel too happy about hurting and causing the death of the dog. Wished there were happier outcome. written by Jeanne , December 22, 2007
Thank you maybenot, My son had an episode last week with me he put thousands of dollars of damage to my house and pulled a knife on me and tried to kill himself. We took him to the crisis center nd also the hospital, next day he weent to a phycologist who said he has bi polar and gave him the right meds. He also has adhd and for a 13 year old to go threw all this is tramatic enuff. He is doing fine, he hasnt grieved and we have ecplained the officer had to what he felt he had to do, wheather it was right or wrong. At this point i think we are all numb to the fact the shock of not going to a show or dog park or out with in the community as we did is going to be a tough one.
Steve My husband and i have 4 kids here, my older one was in the house wrestling with the 13 year old bi polar boy trying to stop him. I tool my 9 and 11 year old out because my 11 yea old was hysterically crying. I was on phone with disbatch and we were trying to calm her down .. My older son said hey thier here and opened the door cameo came out because she herd my daughter crying so hard then hear someone yell " hello?" and went to the fence. she then turnedaround and went outside the fence to see whom it was and my daughter is the one who screamed cameo and watche her die. I did even get a chance to stand up before they shot her. After that i was more worried about taking care of my daughter before she hyperventalted. written by Jeanne , December 22, 2007
OH YES!! Lol Steve.. Every one knows they have reports on people and thier houses before the pull up.. Its on thier computer screens if dogs are vicious and it said on his dog was friendly..
written by amy , December 22, 2007
Jeanne, "Its on thier computer screens if dogs are vicious and it said on his dog was friendly.. "
I didn't know they include that on the computer screen...good thing they do! Just don't understand why the dog was shot, was it growling, snapping or what? I can't imagine Cameo doing that. I am so sad at your horrible incident. I am sure your 13 yr old feels horrible and will rethink his behavior, that there is always a consequence for negating behavior one way or another. Hang in there, I know this is an emotional time for all of you, sure wished I could turn the clock back for you and make it right for all of you. Cops, please read the computer screen carefully, when in doubt call the headquarter and ask!!  written by rla , December 22, 2007
Oh gimme a break! I don't care what the computer says about whether the dog is friendly or not. That can change with the situation. I certainly would not stand there as a dog rushes me saying to myself oh ok its a nice doggy no need for concern! I really feel bad for this family especially the children but lets get real here. The only thing I don't understand is why two shots were fired! Maybe by the end of the investigation this will be known but for now just admit it, you would have probably drawn your gun too.
written by amy , December 22, 2007
After a thought, I reasoned that my comment was not fair about the computer. Stressed out situation can change in a second and reasoning gets blurred, she didn't have time to lock the pit bull up, he didn't have time to check the dog out further. Sad situation all around.
 written by Jennifer Gooch , December 22, 2007
Should've shot the owner, not the dog. Would've helped to clean up the neighborhood.
Also, has anybody else noticed that anybody who writes in support of the dog owners and bashes the cop can barely write a sentence to save their life? I'm not saying that you need to be able to read and write the English language to know right from wrong, but it does show you the lack of intelligence within this type of person. I think some deportations are in order.  written by oh my goodness , December 22, 2007
well if there really so much information on the cops computer screens they probably would have read they were going to a P.O.S. dirtbags house. Bottom line, they should have just passed the house up and gone and help people who really needed help not someone who can't control their kid.
written by Jeanne , December 22, 2007
viciouse pitbull attack.. not for the squimish at all parents watch your children
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g1BK9WnIbo&feature=related OMG!!! pitbill mauled 3 yearold. ( this is what gives the pitbulls a bad name?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L32q7qnDfes&feature=related  written by Dorthea , December 22, 2007
The family and the police I think have have enough to deal with here. It's the holidays I think everyone gets the point. So how about lets get on with normal, life so they can try to deal and cope with this to try to slowly get over it. Bottom line is their the ones that have to live with this.
written by maybenotdumBcommenT , December 22, 2007
Jeanne it does not matter if your dog is friendly, so is mine, but if it feels threatened it will go after what looks threatening. And for the reason you didn't have time to put her away, I understand that, but that's the way it goes. I'm not being callous here, if the door had been shut and the cop had to KICK it down, the dog would be the first to go as I assume it would have thought the cop a stranger and attacked him. Door open, door closed is all that made the difference here. It doesn't matter that they knew the dog was friendly, the chaos might have been felt by Cameo. And that is a known fact.
You are fighting so hard to be right, work on the child now and move on from all this. BTW I'm also a step parent so I know what you are going thru, in some ways.  written by Guillermo Rodriguez , December 22, 2007
Kelsy Ramos Saturday, 03 November 2007
A letter to the editor by Guillermo Rodriguez of Tracy EDITOR, Why is it every time I read the Tracy Press, you always make out pit bulls to be either vicious or out of control? When another breed of dog, like a Labrador retriever or a German shepherd, does something bad, you just put “a dog.” That’s wrong. Aren’t there enough stereotypes? Judge the deed, not the breed! Pit bulls are one of the best-loving pets, yet because some pet owners are not responsible, this makes them bad. If people actually did their research, they would find out pit bulls have better temperament than German shepherds, labs or retrievers. Pit bulls are known for their ability to learn quickly and save lives. The first war dog that got a medal was a pit bull. I’m a proud owner of a pit bull and a Rottweiler. I WROTE THIS ARTICLE FOR A REASON, AND FOR ALL THE PIT LOVERS AND OWNERS, STAND TALL AND EDUCATE THE STUPID PUBLIC AND THE TPD!  written by Reasonable? , December 22, 2007
"...Its on thier computer screens if dogs are vicious and it said on his dog was friendly.."
Unless you are intimately in the know of how a police department actually operates, don't assume and show your ignorance from watching 'COPS' or any other 'reality' TV show. How would you specifically know what this officer's computer screen said? Even if it were on the screen, police officers are above all, human. How can anyone, police included, be expected to retain ALL infomation thrown at them in a matter of minutes during a high-stress call involving multiple people and/or possible scenarios without Mensa-like memories? As a dispatcher for a large police agency for too many years, I find it hard to believe the above quoted line. The police DO NOT routinely have handy-dandy info for every household and/or person in the city on their computer screens for their safety/use. If they did, don't you think that would make their jobs - and all of our lives - easier/better? Though there are typically computers available in the patrol vehicles, they don't give ALL information needed for an officer responding to a high-level stressful situation such domestic violence. Even if the info WERE on a computer screen telling the officer the dog is 'friendly', I personally don't define 'friendly dog' as a charging, p*ssed off pitbull. Is it fair to blame the unfortunate death of a beloved pet soley on an officer who was doing his job showing up to a domestic-violence call made by the homeowner? Or should the homeowner be held to their responsibility in making sure their dog was secured in anticipation of a stranger coming to the house during a stressful event? It's unfortunate that this happened and I sincerely feel for the owners of the dog. As an avid dog-lover/owner myself, I would be devastated. However, let's not place ALL of the blame of this event upon the police or the police officer. It belongs squarely on the homeowners as well. written by amy , December 22, 2007
Reasonable? I find your information very interesting. Thanks for clearing that up. Your comment said it best.
written by maybenotdumBcommenT , December 22, 2007
G. Rodriguez, When you call us stupid, we don't listen to you anymore. You go below the belt. I wrote just prior to you and used the term DOG. All dogs bite and attack if stressed. When will you understand that. My dog is sometime mistaken for a pit but I always hold her back to make sure she has the right signals. Always leashed when outside to protect me and the public.
This problem escalated beyond control and Jeanne wants to blame everyone else. Typical to pull because she had a pit and the same with racism. Sh*t happens. I said I'm sorry for the children at this point. MOVE ON. It will take a while but get a new dog and life will be better. I think a female Rat is a great pet myself. written by Anita , December 22, 2007
I am very close to the Holmes family. It is a tragedy of the greatest proportion. What good can come from this???? I would really like to see officers have more training on aggressive dogs. They have training on everything else, why not on dog behavior?? After Katrina people finally began to see the importance of pets and what they mean to pet loving people. Dogs are a big part of our society and are here to stay. Whether you have a pit bull, poodle or anything in between, whether they are for protection, working dogs or just as companions they are here to stay. I wish there could be a movement to force law enforcement all over the country to have more training and maybe this will not happen again or maybe not as often. That would be such a great and fitting tribute to a wonderful loving dog that taught so many people that “you need not fear me I’m just big lovable teddy bear.” Call it the CameO bill in her memory.
 written by RKD , December 22, 2007
Let’s set aside the emotion and add some reason and objectivity. First, Officer Flores was walking into one of the most dangerous situations an officer can encounter and his mind was set on how he was going to deal with this domestic problem. As soon as he walks up to the house, he’s charged by an “aggressive bread” dog. Officer Flores doesn’t know this animal and what its intentions are. And how many times have you heard dog owners say, “oh, he’s friendly” and then something happens to the contrary.
Second, anyone familiar with police weapons, knows that the Taser is not designed for this situation. It shoots 2 barbs that spread apart quickly. It is for people , not small, fast moving animals. If he would’ve used the Taser, he most certainly would’ve missed and the dog would’ve been on him. Third, this talk about him being a “coward” is pathetic. I’ve owned a large “aggressive bread” dog; but I can’t count how many times I’ve been running/walking and been charged by a dog. It stirs up primal fight/flight emotions in me and I know it would with any other person. Officer Flores may or may not have had other options available to him. I can’t say whether or not he should or should not have used his firearm. It is the one weapon which he can go to quickly and have immediate results. OC spray does not react immediately and it is difficult to deploy unless you’re already holding it in your hand with your thumb on the spray button. Finally, unlike mail carriers, Officer Flores still had to worry about the domestic situation inside the house spilling out onto the front yard while he’s still dealing with their dog. Now, all you arm-chair quarterbacks, put your emotions aside and place yourself in his situation. written by maybenotdumBcommenT , December 22, 2007
Right on, RKD.
Anita, What you suggested sounds ridiculous. What are the police going to do, use real dogs or fake dogs or put a human in a dog suit and pretend it's a dog. Officers do get training with aggressive dogs, but they wear thick suits and is meant for the crimimal not the cop. This was a domestic violence case and they are by far the worst ones for police to go on. written by amy , December 22, 2007
I'm pretty sure the cops are familiar with dog business. They have K-9 unit.
written by blame the right people , December 22, 2007
Deez Nutz: my comments make perfect sense to a person with some intelligence. I'll let you figure out the conclusion I'm trying to make if you can with your limited intelligence.
"Discharging a firearm with kids in the line of fire is selfish" Nowhere in the article does it say the kids are in the line of fire. Your own stupid conclusion. "Blame the right people is just right if you would make sense when y ou talked" Does this sentence make sense? NO!!!! "Petty people have short sighted minds and you sound petty to me. " This would make you the one who is high and mighty. The officer will not be reprimanded, he will continue to keep the streets safe because HE DID NOTHING WRONG. Officers are completely within their right to shoot a dog which is aggressive toward them. And that, makes a lot of sense. written by Deez Nutz , December 23, 2007
Umm so we should issue all the mail carriers guns so they can shoot dogs who charge them also? Get real we all deal with dogs sharging how many of you shoot the dogs that charge.
 written by davesniece , December 24, 2007
Deez Nutz: I could not have said that better myself!! if the p.g.&e guy can deal with a dog without a gun why the hell can't a trained officer.. this is just a horrible situation all around.. no one should be placing blame, it was a horrible horrible accident! in the high stress situation who would think about putting the dog away and being a new officer in fear, he probably didn't think twice before taking action.. and the fact that anyone can come on here and try to place blame on the child makes me sick.
 written by isthistrue? , December 24, 2007
Yep, regretful situation all around. What makes you think the child is NOT blaming himself? He needs comforting most at this time. Most curious to know how the incident escalated to that point.
Shameful. written by Guillermo Rodriguez , December 24, 2007
To:maybenotsodumb what ever your name is?
Then kick rocks and go to the next blog idiot. I'm speaking on the subject you just want to start something you can't finish! written by maybenotdumBcommenT , December 27, 2007
To: Guille Rod or whatever your name is? I am commenting my opinions and unlike you, I won't lower myself to calling people STUPID or IDIOTS about what they know or not about pit bulls. I said DOGS because all dogs have the potential to hurt someone or something. And I explicitly said it that way so people like you couldn't accuse me of putting one dog in a catagory. You are one of those people that are just aching for a b*tchin' and I have no use for people like you. Move on Gulable.
written by Guillermo Rodriguez , December 27, 2007
LOL,WHAT'S WRONG WITH MY NAME? Yes STUPID people like yourself! I'm one of those people aching to b%^$# slap you.
written by maybenotdumBcommenT , December 27, 2007
Geez G. D., I think you need some anger management. I wish you knew who I was, then that would be fun.
written by Guillermo Rodriguez , December 27, 2007
Actually that didn't work either.YES THAT WOULD MAKE IT FUN!
 written by FormerPitBullOwner , December 27, 2007
Yeah, those things are mean-buggers.
We had one when I was a kid and it bit my sister. I wouldn't let them sleep with the kids. No animal should be left alone with the children. Just ask that yahoo that dangled his leg over the tiger's cage in SF zoo. written by FormerPitBullOwner , December 27, 2007
They make good guard dogs though.
Nobody would come through that chain link fence for sure! But, children, please don't dangle you hands near the fence of those ones. Rotweillers too. written by rla , December 27, 2007
I must agree with you maybedumbcomment. Guillermo is a very negative person. I have read other comments on other forums and as I said before he has issues... Nothing personal against you Rod but can't help noticing and you are entitled to your opinion.
written by FormerPitBullOwner , December 27, 2007
Nicely put:
Officer Flores was walking into one of the most dangerous situations an officer can encounter and his mind was set on how he was going to deal with this domestic problem. As soon as he walks up to the house, he’s charged by an “aggressive bread” dog. Officer Flores doesn’t know this animal and what its intentions are. And how many times have you heard dog owners say, “oh, he’s friendly” and then something happens to the contrary. Try teaching a course in how "nice" pit-bulls can be, while facing that monster. Still Gullible?  written by Another pitbull mauling! , December 27, 2007
DATELINE CALIFORNIA
BARSTOW, Calif. - A pack of pit bulls surrounded a woman and mauled her to death, authorities said Wednesday. Go ahead, blame the owners, blame the woman for Jwalking, whatever excuse you can come up with. But once again, killed by pitbulls. Open your eyes, I dont think I have never read a story about a basett hound kiling someone! written by Guillermo Rodriguez , December 27, 2007
Yes im a NEGATIVE person on this SUBJECT,why because I've always been stereotyped to this day because ofthe way I look,ethhicity and beliefs? Don't judge a BOOK BY IT'S COVER,yet a lot of people forgot that and jump to conclusions. That officer did that? To rla, thank you for your honesty? Sorry if I see the story different,and why this officer shot 10 feet away from kids.
 written by Mail Man , December 27, 2007
I was never issued a gun, otherwise I would have used it on stupid dogs. Instead, I always knew the dogs that would atack. Whent they were out, they did not get the mail. Pepper spray only makes them worse and more defensive. Instead, many a dogs met my bumper (on accident) of course.
written by maybenotdumBcommenT , December 27, 2007
There you go Guille, bring racism into it. By your name I assume you are Mexican-American and possibly so is Flores. Interesting you stick up for the dog.
I already said it once, If the officer was hurt it could have gotten worse. And "No", Mr Rodriguez, you wouldn't want to pick a battle with me. You think just by using your real name you can be an a**, but there are some of us who can't. So crawl back in your hole and find your manners. written by Guillermo Rodriguez , December 27, 2007
WTF THEN KICK ROCKS!
You think just by using your real name you can be an a**, but there are some of us who can't. So crawl back in your hole and find your manners. (HOW STUPID DO YOU SOUND) Just because officer Flores is Latino doesn't mean I'm sticking up for him, I'm for the CAUSE, (LA CAUSA). Which means what is right and righteous. written by maybenotdumBcommenT , December 27, 2007
G.R. It is my opinion, of you.
You can be for the cause all you want, you went after me about my comment and you tried to pick a fight for no reason. I say all dogs have the potential to be aggressive. Oh ya, and then you bring up this race thing, here! So you can see eye to eye with the dog. I see eye to eye with the cop. The DOG should have been under control. They have minimal amount of thinking, like you. They can be very dangerous, all dogs. So what is your real beef here, I don't get it. You blah blah, blah blah blah, about that first statement you made towards me. I say the kid needs the attention here and then we see the dead dog. What about the children? Those kids will be traumitized and if that cop would have risked being hurt who else knows what would have happened? It is the owners responsibility to control the animal. Jeanne is mad because she was left with a child that is not hers and she was sick and tired of taking care of his problem!!! Then she slams her husband on this public forum, oh how I shudder. Poor Man. I know what WTF means but what is all this about kicking rocks, did you have no toys when you were growing up? Did your Dad tell you to GO KICK ROCKS? La Causa, thats funny. how old are you BTW. There are much more needed causes to fight for. The dog thing, They tell their own story. time and time again. That is why you are fighting so hard. hahaha! written by Guillermo Rodriguez , December 27, 2007
Thank you for thinking and writing about me! LOL YOU MUST WATCH BILL ORILEY HUH?TRYING TO MAKE SOME SOUND WITH THAT WEAK ASS BLOG? That's all I'm going to write about you because your a$$ ain't worth it!
written by maybenotdumBcommenT , December 27, 2007
No you are just running out of air is all GR. You have no rhyme or reason to what you say. Read the other comments above. You are a nasty loser and call people names. What do you think it will do, grow hair on your chest by having a filthy mouth? You could never make me upset. I was born wiyh patience 10 miles long. You never talked about the kid in the manner of any concern. the pit this and the pit that, so what! And your not writing about me anyway right. It's, in your case, about the pit bull breed. Right, Guillermo Rodriguez? Pitiful.
 written by chicanorick , December 28, 2007
What he was saying about the racial stuff is that people are prejudice when they have little information. Pitbull maulings on the news. All pitbulls are bad, evil creatures. Do people really believe that there is a type of animal that is inherently evil since birth?
And in my opinion, the cop should have shot either the kid or the parent for wasting my tax dollars on some stupid call. Who the hell calls the cops because their 11 year old has a hammer? Sh!t, I would've shown that motherfkr the back of my hand and made him fear God. written by maybenotdumBcommenT , December 28, 2007
Well chicanorick, it's not that easy. Only some people are prejudice and I'm not. G. R. never got that. I know what he was saying but a lot of us know that if our dog, big or litle told him we kept them away from strangers to protect them both. G.R. was rude and obnoxious to try and force his opinion on us in his childish vulgar manner.
Lots of people call the cops when a child of that age is out of control. They take them to juvinal hall. Why do you want him to fear God. He could be his saving grace. written by Guillermo Rodriguez , December 28, 2007
Ok, now your sounding like a bi@#$! Leave my name out of your mouth now or you still want to go at it? Im just tired of reading your dumb a$$ name on the blog!
written by Guillermo Rodriguez , December 28, 2007
Ey they took that comment that WUZ UP left for me?
written by maybenotdumBcommenT , December 28, 2007
I'm still worried about the kid G. R. You go ahead and worry about the dog. You have a right to your opinion as I do. I know I have said things I've regretted on these commemt pages but nothing like what you type here. I feel bad for the dog and I feel bad for all concerned.
written by rla , December 28, 2007
Chicano, who said dogs aren't born evil? Arent there natural born killers. Is there such a thing as chemical imbalance? Why take that chance! Yes, we probably are more aware of dangerous Pit Bulls from the media but we also are more aware of preditors. So why bash these people and their opinions and call them racist? Is that for a reaction? Just curious again.
 written by BigBrotherAndGangBangers , December 28, 2007 GR, Are you on La Crack-a? You should go on Geraldo, or Oprah and ask for help. We don't all hate pitbulls and rotwiellers. We just love to see you get your panties in a twist. You should try the La Bamba.  written by dumb comment , December 28, 2007
Chemical imbalance, may be part of it.
Not enought dopamine flowing between the synapses. But, these dogs brains swell up. Especially the female dogs. That causes them to get irritated. And they are naturally that way. Ask Crocodile Hunter. He also found out the hard way about mother nature. Don't dangle your leg over the PitBull's cage. written by dumb comment , December 28, 2007 The officer did us all a favor. I say, send him on more of those calls.  written by dumb comment , December 28, 2007 This poor family has a teenage son with a hammer, and all people can say is that the dogs are sooooooooooo nice. I feel for this family. Too bad they lost their dog, but I really just wonder what came of the kid. Juvenile hall? His siblings and mother must be devestated? The dog too, but what is most important here, GR, is the people. I know that you are a real trooper on a mission, but please get a grip. People's future's are at stake here. The dog is already gone. We should be thankful that someone else didn't get hurt. Peace out!  written by EasterDog , December 28, 2007 That is one ugly looking Easter Dog! But, GR, don't lay an egg, on me, like everyone else you hate. I am just saying chill, or you will turn out to be an ugly dog too... written by Guillermo Rodriguez , December 28, 2007
Bigbrotherandgangbangers,dumbcomment
LOL,YOU GUYS ARE THE SHEEP,I'M THE WOLF!!!! written by chicanorick , December 28, 2007
I'm not the one that related it to racism, I was just trying to explain the point that was made... at least the way I perceived it. And I just made that comment about the dogs being born evil because that's a pretty far out belief if there's actually people that believe that.
I wasn't there and I don't really care if the dog got shot or not.  written by Sheep , December 28, 2007
Oooooouuuuh GR!
Big La-Daa-aaaa-aa-aaa-aa-aaa-ddy! What big __dogs__ you have! You too much on that trippy thing you do!  Let me ask - do you even read the story and have compassion for that family?  written by PinkPoodle , December 28, 2007 Uggh! Sounds like Guillermo is into bestiality. What a creepy guy. Hope this dude catches him soon. http://tracypress.com/content/view/12882/2242/ written by maybenotdumBcommenT , December 28, 2007
dumb comment, where can I go to read that stuff about the dogs chemical imbalance and the brain swelling? That sounds interesting.
I hope you get the message Guillermo Rodriguez, before something happens to one of your loved ones. This information that these other people, if it's true, really makes me think twice. I remember my friends dobey going for my throat,(ya ya, you wished it had got me) and I could swear it would not have, but they said to stay back. I was lucky. Anything you say Guillermo Rodrigues couldn't shock us at all, so don't bother. |
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