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Cameras and motion detector lights will work.  I have the same set-up at my house.  Although it can be considered a false sense of security it will keep the honest people honest.  If you have an alarm system, it too will be a good deterent.  

Is the system you're considering also have &quot;sound&quot; capabilities?  With the volumn turned on at night you can actually hear what's going on outside.  
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			<description>The consensus is to put up cameras and motion lights. I think we can do that.  - Decker</description>
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			<description>ifo, in front of, it took me a minute. Will I get anything out of it because I'm busy these days. Will it benefit my problem right now? I don't disbelieve either of you. I prefer to stay on equal ground. If you have a problem you should try to work it out. That is what I am doing with this whole thing. Our neighbors and I could have gone to an attorney and tried to force the undesirables out but this is a step in the positiveness direction I like to try. 

This has taken more time then I thought to keep track of the comings and goings of cars, mostly at a certain house and working with my other neighbors. We have a lot to get done. 

I hope that answers your question&quot; I am happy with my family, grandchildren and friends. I made a new friend because of this. Got to go vacuum, now that is what I call fun. - Decker</description>
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Decker,

I don't sit ifo the monitor and have to think really hard to come up with these crazy ideas, it sort of comes quickly.  Cop humor I suppose.  It's a way of dealing with all the ugliness by making it humorous.  Ask any cop who will give you a straight answer and not try to sugar coat it.  The idea is not to offend but to make the comments generic.  If you re-read the police blotters you'll see what I'm talking about.  Also as you read them notice how the &quot;other person&quot; is commenting.  What would you rather have?  A sniveling malcontent or humor to make your day happier?

Have a good weekend. - fortheunderdog</description>
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			<description>I'm one of those people who tries to be nice to everyone. I don't under stand the logic in it . 

I already had gotten the information from Officer Rose, I know to get the license numbers and I know you were trying to help but I honestly don't understand what you are trying to prove. I'm not like that so I don't understand the reasonings and all the time put into it.

You could sit out in you front yards and help catch the speeders. But thats just me. I was watching the kids   down the street.

Well, I'm glad I wasn't caught up in it. It's a waste of my time. Sorry if I didn't get it. I have no time for it, sorry. I'm guessing you do. Well have a good day.   






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Decker,

One more thing then I'll let this end.  

maybenotdumBcomment wrote this after some advice I wrote to you.  You can make your own decision after you read it.  

&quot;written by maybenotdumBcommenT , July 29, 2008 
I'm beginning to think ftud is right. It would be better to have two Good working cameras then four so so cameras.&quot;

Lastly, have a good evening. - fortheunderdog</description>
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			<description>Decker,

Let me first say that all the clowning around on the police blotters is a way for some of us to relax and just get away from all the ugliness this society has to offer.  

The police blotters do not list people by name.  The listings are completely generic as are our comments.

maybenotdumBcommenT has her opinion of our comments and has told us so in just about EVERY police blog but she continues to read the police blotters.  

I'm not here asking for you to side with anyone.  You'll have to make that decision on your own.    

I'm sure if you show the advice I have offered you to Ofc Rose you will see that what I am telling you is correct.  I was employed in law enforcement and recently retired.  I think I know what I am saying when it revolves around security.  

Have a good evening.   - fortheunderdog</description>
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			<description>I read a few and I don't know why they would do that. Alot of time went into the jokes. I'm not sure how to take it. Bizarre humor.  - Decker</description>
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			<description>I think your advise you gave Decker is in complete conflict to your police log comments. And some of the other stories. My insomnia is back and you all did nothing but blog all day. Now I'm reading them. 

Cathy, listen to the Neighborhood watch people. Just ignore what we all said. They are like dogs with their nose up, well you know what I mean if you read the police logs.  - maybenotdumBcommenT</description>
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			<description>Cathy Decker, You should look around at some of the other comments some of these people made, you might be leary of their advise altho not all together bad, especially the police logs. - maybenotdumBcommenT</description>
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			<description>Thanks for reminding me fortheunderdog. He lives on the corner house facing away from our street so I called a few of my neighbors and will be sending invites to the short street they live on. They may not come but the information will get out there to them we are doing this and he parks on the street. I'll get his Lic, # easily. - Decker</description>
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			<description>Decker,

When you have your meeting, try passing this information on to Ofc Rose.....Write down the license number of the offending vehicle with the noisy muffler.  Give it to Ofc Rose to forward to TPD Traffic Unit.  Maybe they could run a registration check to find an address where the vehicle is registered to and warn the offender of 27150a VC.  This way, you will be out of the picture and no retaliation, if any, would come your way.  Just a thought.   - fortheunderdog</description>
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			<description>Thank you every body for all your suggestions and help. I think other readers will benefit from all your insights and knowledge. Soon I will have more to share. - Decker</description>
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			<description>I spoke to Officer Rose and have a meeting date. The meeting will be in a driveway. I like that idea because it is neutral territory. It is a BYOC, bring your own chair meeting. We will be talking about what the neighborhood watch is about. Someone has already offered us a motion light. I think we can pull this together. I have a kid stopping at the STOP sign in front of our house now instead of running it. Now he needs to get his muffler fixed. It still alarms my birds when he drives by. It isn't just me that wants this kid to fix it. We will find out how we can be civil and sensitive(not aggressive) in our approach to neighbors over annoyances. I figure we really can't have an absolutely quiet crime free place to live. We can help the police in our efforts to watch our own neighborhood and get the bad guys off the street. . I would suggest other people start one because it is summer time and easy to have a meeting. The hardest part will be drawing a picture of the street, I better use a pencil with a good eraser.

Call 831-6581, Officer Rose, TPD Crime Prevention Officer - Decker</description>
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			<description>amy,

Security cameras are only as good as their placement.  If you have it aimed incorrectly it's useless.  Usually an overlapping view from 2 cameras is best.  Like I said earlier, Costco's 4 camera system is quite nice.  It records night views very well also provided that there is enough light. (Lights hooked up to motion detectors) Most crooks will commit their crimes by &quot;hook and crook&quot; (no pun intended), meaning that the police already have some knowledge as to their method of crime.  

A working camera is always better than a dummy camera.  I would hate to have my home burglarized after installing dummy cameras.  

My home is secured with an alarm system and cameras.  It's also guarded by a crotchitty male SOB who's armed.  Ok, maybe not crotchitty SOB.    ;D - fortheunderdog</description>
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			<description>I'm beginning to think ftud is right. It would be better to have two Good working cameras then four so so cameras. Put one at the entrance of the front door and one that can span the areas where the cars are. And have the motion detector lights in the backyard. I'd still get a big dog. Ones with teeth that glow in the dark,  ;D - maybenotdumBcommenT</description>
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			<description>fortheunderdog, I also mentioned fake cameras, to be placed further away from real cameras so it would capture those who damage or tinker with the fake cameras. That way it would show the PD how these criminals operate when they spot what they may think is a working camera. The real, functioning camera will document their methods? Will that help?

-amy - amy</description>
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			<description>Dave Hardesty,

We seem to be at opposite ends in a couple of these blogs.  

I would not waste my money to install a dummy camera just as I would not waste my money for one of your dummy blinking lights.  If I want something protected I'll use the real thing.  Your thinking is sort of like TPD putting replica weapons in their holster making the bad guy think it's real.   :D

Since you have such a great repoire with TPD, and since you brought up the &quot;stereo craze&quot; maybe you can get in touch with your friends and have them start enforcing 27007 VC.  Have them look it up, it'll be better ingrained in their memory.  While your at it, have them also read 11713j VC.  Lots of these running around Tracy and it'll bring in revenue. (ps, 11715 VC for reference.)

Nobody said a security camera would protect you.  It's sort of like using a radar gun, it's there to confirm your suspicions.

Security cameras have caught that idiot in Lodi who stole a camera while it was &quot;on&quot;.  Captured his mug quite well and it was taken during darkness.  I'd have to say that a camera is a good deterrent if it's not a dummy.

There is nothing wrong with commercial off the shelf video products.  They're made for the resident(s) in mind who do not want to fork out an enormous amount of cash for a similiar product.  Sounds like you're an agent for ADT or Sonitrol. 



 

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			<description>Is this going to stop the truly hardened and experienced criminal from plying his or her trade?  Nope!  Not in the least.  And the installation of video cameras don't slow them down much either.  That's what insurance is for. And if someone is out to get you and cause you physical harm your camera isn't going to prevent that from happening either. 

I am not against video surveillance.  But if you are going to put one in to cover all the bases you are not going to do it with any commercial off the shelf video product you commonly see sold and will be wasting your money when it is easily defeated. 

All I am trying to do is to bring in an element of reality so that people are not deceiving themselves with false expectations as to what these things are currently able to do. 

Dave Hardesty
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			<description>fortheunderdog 

The point of my statement was to illustrate that if you don't have a clear picture of the person committing the crime your thousand dollar video system is just about as worthless as a dummy camera.  

Deterrent is another way of combating the problem as well.  If you don't know if the camera is a dummy camera or if it is real, you would really have to be some type of fool to go ahead and commit a crime in its presence because you will be taking the risk that it was real and would capture your image so you would be caught. 

When the automobile boom stereo craze hit years ago, I use to manufacture and cell little blinking LED lights the kids could turn on and off as they parked their cars at night.  Now you might think it didn't do any good and they should have purchased a $200 plus automobile alarm with a siren.  

But if they kept their mouths shut as to the ruse, as these little blinking lights were used the people breaking into cars would by pass them and attack the cars without them for fear they would trip an alarm that actually didn't exist.  

I only charged $5.00 for these little gadgets and they actually produced better results that sophisticated automobile alarms that were set so sensitive and went off all of the time that eventually no one would pay any attention to those cars when the alarms went off. 

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