Comments for UPDATED SUNDAY: Not made-for-TV crash at http://tracypress.com , comment 1 to 28 out of 20 comments http://tracypress.com Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:26:53 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://tracypress.com/content/view/15081/2255/#comment-51858 Talk to your children of the dangers of joining a gang,... talk to the police department with your child at your side and let the cop tell your child what he had seen, talk to the emergency room attendant about how the child arrived.... at the emergency room, sometimes trauma, talk to the teachers about explaining the dangers of joining a gang to the students in the class room at an early age, (during their impressionable years). Sometimes truth has to be harsh to send the message home in their head! Parents will see why they need to take more active role in their child's life. You don't want to end up talking to a mortician at the hospital? The child needs to understand that the child cannot easily say, "I changed my mind, bye bye".... Nope, they will give them a "parting" gift, no pun intended!! Just too much information on them for them to say, "Good luck with your future"... it is more like this...."no way, we will......up your future and we will be stalking you!" Often the child's family is caught up in the cross fire, drive by shooting and so on. Take the first step, talk to your child... TODAY! PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN FIRST, PLEASE. Thank you. -amy If you love your child, you will INFORM your child before they get the WRONG INFORMATION from the gang during their impressionable years. It is for this reason I am keeping my name anonymous. Don't want them to find me since they don't know what I may have been told. -amy - amy Tue, 01 Jul 2008 07:56:53 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/15081/2255/#comment-51832 You are correct ftu... There is no former, if you are hard core. This I know but, I do not need to go into detail. It would have made more sense if it read that they came to Tracy from another state to get out of gang life. I guess then, it wouldn't be the Nortenos... ;D - bla Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:53:12 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/15081/2255/#comment-51805 I re-read the article and it said TPD said that they were both "former Norteno's". No such thing as a "former" in that gang. Sounds like someone ratted him out that he was back in town. It also could have been an initiation rite of passage for a newbie. - fortheunderdog Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:53:09 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/15081/2255/#comment-51804 I saw freshly-painted Norteno graffiti on a pedestrian bridge in Emeryville on Saturday night, a block from the very upscale Bay Street shopping center. It's not really a question of us vs. them, nice vs. run-down, or Bay vs. Valley. It's a question of disenfranchisement from civil society, and what causes it. And such disenfranchisement increases as the economic prospects for the average Joe (or Jose) decrease. - Ian Stewart Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:45:25 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/15081/2255/#comment-51773 Bummer! Trying to start over and this happends. I just hope they catch the punk who shot this guy. - shooterrob Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:51:34 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/15081/2255/#comment-51739 It's no secret Tracy and Paterson never got along! They hated each other. May be the victim is on some type of green light list with other gangs! That can the case, ya know? I remember Beno's, OMD and the black cat on Central and third. Do ya remember B&E'S?, thats old school, right there! - mythoughts Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:47:00 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/15081/2255/#comment-51720 Southtexas, how well do you know this guy? When did you see or speak to him last? It is true that the Press could be putting the wrong spin on this. The girlfriend was in distress at the time the police talked to her. She may have said they left Tracy to get away from the gang problem and that got turned into something else. We don't know. Papers have been known to twist the truth. What we do know is that these two no longer live in town. They were here on a Friday night for what ever reason. They were in what the paper discribed as a red luxury car. IF the victim was the intended target then the shooter knew they were in town. They knew where they were and at what time. That would mean that someone ratted them out. The thing that does not make sense is that the girlfriend told police stuff a gang member would not. Even a former gang member would not give the details she supposedly did. Plus, if they were trying to change their lives, like the paper claims, then why would they be in Tracy in the middle of the night? The details of the story don't make sense. I know I am 48 years old and don't understand all this young people stuff, but I know some things. There is more to this story. - Annie Snyder Mon, 30 Jun 2008 05:44:21 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/15081/2255/#comment-51712 wow if you remember Benos you really are from Tracy. Did you also hit up the ODM afterwards? - guapo Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:48:49 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/15081/2255/#comment-51702 i know this guy and the paper aint putting the correct facts down, in no way or form is this guy a former norteno gang member. the poor guy has never even done time. i am sure the two had words and pride got in the way and you know the out come.its to bad we cant put em up no more with out getting shot."those who live by the sword shall die by the sword".i lived out in the country near Tracy and we use to go to Tracy to buy groceries ,shop at benos , see the doctor and go watch movies and at that time the town was real innocent . i have been back recently and cant believe how the folks from the bay area have over powered that sweet town. - southtexas Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:13:38 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/15081/2255/#comment-51684 I live on the west side to and hear gun shots go off once in a while. I know where it is happening but can't do much about it but call police so they will see we need more police on each shift. Tracy is no longer a bedroom community. Yes we have to watch out for each other. - maybenotdumBcommenT Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:22:25 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/15081/2255/#comment-51676 I know, but there's absolutely no reason for a liquor store to be opened 24 hrs. I see no sense in adding to problems with drunk driving at all hours. Not to mention being drunk in public. Just my thoughts. - fortheunderdog Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:10:47 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/15081/2255/#comment-51647 LOL, no flack, but what does liquor stores have to do with this? They were filling up their car. - bla Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:28:38 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/15081/2255/#comment-51639 I think I see what Ziggy was saying, also what smokie777 added. It's not that other cities also have this problem, it's that this shooting happened in an area that maybe Ziggy lives close to and this type of incident has not occurred this closely before. Correct me if I'm wrong. I live on the west side of Tracy Bl behind Save Mart. I'm sure if something of this calibre would have happened over this way I would probably say the same thing. I know stores have to make a profit but I don't think a liquor store should be opened 24 hrs. They're just asking for trouble. I know I'm going to get flack for this. :( - fortheunderdog Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:30:54 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/15081/2255/#comment-51571 I agree, try not to look intimidated and walk away is the best tactic. I think the point Ziggy was trying to make is that when the thugs get hurt their parents try to make them out to be the innocent victim. - Annie Snyder Sun, 29 Jun 2008 06:52:05 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/15081/2255/#comment-51557 Ziggy, once again, Gangs are everywhere, in all towns and cities. "dare to look at the unintelligent wasted piece of human dna and you might get shot in the head. shoot back at them and the parents show up in the news saying how nice and loving their kid was". I understand this as it is their intimidation tactics. The only thing you can do is move on. I got stared down in Stockton once and feared I'd get stabbed in the back. This was in a nice part of town. I tried not to act intimidated. It's the best we can do. - maybenotdumBcommenT Sun, 29 Jun 2008 05:09:05 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/15081/2255/#comment-51546 Don't service stations have cameras? I always read about them having the license plates of cars that drive away without paying for gas. - Concerned Parents Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:59:18 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/15081/2255/#comment-51523 gangs and the spreading influence and violence. It's like a cancer here anymore. i've been here for quite sometime myself as well. now it is taking over the small bedroom town feeling with a bunch of violent non sence. you can not even walk down any street with out experiancing a thug driving by with a dumb looking ball cap on sideways. dare to look at the unintellegent wasted piece of human dna and you might get shot in the head. shoot back at the and the parents show up in the news saying how nice and loving their kid was. and how much the kid loved helping people. sheeewizz. :( - Ziggy Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:37:44 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/15081/2255/#comment-51510 One danger of joining a gang is it is so hard to get out of it. Many get harmed when they tried. Sad fact of life that I see all the time. Talk to your children about the dangers of joining a gang, their life will not be the same if they did, they will not be able to change their minds as easily because they will have too much information on the gang that they want to keep silent on. Concerned -amy - amy Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:30:26 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/15081/2255/#comment-51506 you areright but we as citizens need to be involved and use police as a suppliment instead of the only solution ie. neighborhood watch, the ever dissapearing block party, or just plain ole knowing your neighbor and when these youths start to congragate we do the same and just hang out out front of our houses talk amongst eachother so they see that we are there so when the police arrive they know we called and if they want to gather and not be respectful of our neighborhood we will always be watching and (you and i both know you can tell as a parent when kids are up to no good and have less than honorable intentions) if they misbehave they know to expect. just our presence after a while will be enough. anyways kids are lazy nowadays and would rather find somewhere else to go than run from police they will hopefully go away - smokie777 Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:36:38 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/15081/2255/#comment-51505 smokie, I've lived here a long time and Tracy has always had gangs. We can't blame it on people moving here. Cities all over are falling on hard times. No money to hire more police. And besides the police can not be everywhere. That side is the Nortenos side BTW. - maybenotdumBcommenT Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:31:02 +0100