Comments for Incredible claims at http://tracypress.com , comment 1 to 40 out of 20 comments http://tracypress.com Sun, 11 May 2008 23:06:21 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://tracypress.com/content/view/14048/2244/#comment-41219 Mark Davis is a WILD NUT!!! and he is cracking up - new sense Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:43:24 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/14048/2244/#comment-41097 Dodging the random conspiracy theorist, a few additional data points are always useful. According Paul Pillar ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_R._Pillar[/url]), head of Middle Eastern counter-terrorism during the 90s, the plot to assassinate Bush Sr. was uncorroborated but retaliated by Clinton in '93 with multiple cruise missile attacks against Iraqi Intelligence Services. Gee golly, that sound generally American and not strictly partisan at all. Therein lies the irony for folks who just can't spend the time to read the factual accounts of a long and complex war dating back to the late 80s but make partisan assumptions about anyway. That prism is fractured... - Mark Davis Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:58:46 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/14048/2244/#comment-41081 Like I said before you fools keep arguing George W. loves the cover. Let me know who wins Ha Ha written by Great Plan , March 27, 2008 President Bush and VP Cheney's plans are working perfectly. First Cheney met with Ken Lay and the other energy pirates and devised a scheme to bilk California and western rateppayers out of billions of dollars. Then they decide to make the big bucks for thier caimpaign contributers and start the Iraq War so Haliburton, Blackwater and all those good compaines could make billions along with the arms dealers. Their actions fueled global insecurity so petroleum prices could skyrocket and all the good ole boys could make lots of oil money. Meanwhile they got everybody arguing about wheter there were weapons of mass destrction in Iraq and who is a bigger idiot Hillary or Obama or Mcain. Great plan working to perfection. - Great Plan Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:42:06 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/14048/2244/#comment-41078 Oops: Change "Near East" to "Central Asia". My bad. - Mark Davis Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:09:44 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/14048/2244/#comment-41077 Dale: "Wholly inadequate responses as evidenced by his administration’s failure to effectively deal with al Qaeda and the Taliban during two terms" Actually, it was a trade-off as Tenet has claimed. The Taliban were seen as a stabilizing influence in the Near East. Also, the CIA thought they were deeply involved in making war on terrorism throughout the time period. In fact, it was the CIA that had a plan for Afghanistan while the DOD did not. "Having read some of your ascertations does not lead me to believe all your utterences are deceitful." I think you might need a re-work of this. - Mark Davis Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:08:05 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/14048/2244/#comment-41076 written by Mark Davis , March 27, 2008 (1) Is the information claim factually accurate? (I assert that there were anti-terrorism activities under Clinton versus Aquila's original claim; whether it was adequate is a judgment call). Judgment- Wholly inadequate responses as evidenced by his administration’s failure to effectively deal with al Qaeda and the Taliban during two terms (2) Is the information claim balanced with respect to arguments against it? (I assert that a strong claim of anti-terrorism successes of the Bush years needs to be considered against the obvious failures; that doesn't limit the claims concerning successes, but requires attention to the failures) He will be judged by all on both the sucesses and failures (3) Is the information source reliable? (I suggest that a pattern of willful misrepresentation by Mr. Aquila as well as an unsober claim at biblical interpretation of Middle East events limits his reliability) Unsober claim… blood, breath, or urine test? Having read some of your ascertations does not lead me to believe all your utterences are deceitful. It is his belief… Bill of Rights - Dale Cose Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:02:49 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/14048/2244/#comment-41075 Dale: I never insulted Randy Rhoads! That's a durn lie! Take it back! Still lost in the nightmare of formatting text, I see. - Mark Davis Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:54:59 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/14048/2244/#comment-41074 written by Mark Davis , March 27, 2008 Dale: Like I say, I'm discriminating :-) Steve, Scott H, Ubbo, Scott C, Frank, Republicans (except mavericks (well, except McCain because he’s running)) the Right side, conservatives everywhere talk radio (except, Mark sighs, ah… Randy Rhodes… now she’s a hottie) the religious (but only the Church of God nutballs… well, what the heck, they’re all nutballs- throw them together too... ) whoa just a gosh durn minute here. Maybe we've uncovered something a little deeper… Maybe write the list the other way around… I don’t discriminate against- Liberals Progressives Socialists and Anarchists… sorry, atheists Dang, I got left off the short list… again - Dale Cose Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:43:51 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/14048/2244/#comment-41073 It's certainly easy to be skeptical about the media(???) The whole build-up To the Iraq war was carried out by media events (and released through State Dept. officals). Evidenced by neocons ("architects") Bremmer, Wolfuwitz, Libby, Rove, Rumsfeld, Cheney and "spokespersons" from the Pentagon. Though, conversely, CIA(Tennant), NSA, and Commanders from CENT-COM. "couldn't connect the dots." Alas even (then) Sec. of Defense Powell warned, "Iraq was like a piece of crystal and would shatter into a thousand pieces," (arguing heatedly over deployment strategy against Rumsfeld's "light footprint in Iraq"). Are just waiting to tell us..? Is there some secret Templar Society and like unbridled children you'll at some future date release what it is we're "supposed to know?" Or is that you are simply trained to follow orders, not question them? - k.l. vosburg Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:42:33 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/14048/2244/#comment-41072 Looking back at my original letter and the commentary that follows, here are some stabs at pulling this out of the nosedive into cunning lexical barb-arism: (1) Is the information claim factually accurate? (I assert that there were anti-terrorism activities under Clinton versus Aquila's original claim; whether it was adequate is a judgment call). (2) Is the information claim balanced with respect to arguments against it? (I assert that a strong claim of anti-terrorism successes of the Bush years needs to be considered against the obvious failures; that doesn't limit the claims concerning successes, but requires attention to the failures) (3) Is the information source reliable? (I suggest that a pattern of willful misrepresentation by Mr. Aquila as well as an unsober claim at biblical interpretation of Middle East events limits his reliability) - Mark Davis Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:29:35 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/14048/2244/#comment-41071 Dale: Like I say, I'm discriminating :-) - Mark Davis Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:15:45 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/14048/2244/#comment-41070 written by Mark Davis , March 27, 2008 "Steve has his typically smelly bunk filled with conspiracy cheese puffs," Heh Heh - Dale Cose Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:47:42 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/14048/2244/#comment-41068 Dale: If I were as undiscriminating about trying to insult others as you are, I would recommend a reading comprehension primer :-) - Mark Davis Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:38:32 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/14048/2244/#comment-41065 written by Mark Davis , March 27, 2008 "It wasn't always that way!" def 1. always - at all times; all the time and on every occasion 2. always - without variation or change, in every case 3. always - without interruption 4. always - at any time or in any event 5. always - forever; throughout all time Glad to be of assistance Mark - Dale Cose Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:32:22 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/14048/2244/#comment-41064 Dale: I guess I don't see any argument or sense in that word soup other than the final claim that Susan Jacoby is wrong. Here history is better than yours, though, especially if you look at the post-WWII era. - Mark Davis Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:17:06 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/14048/2244/#comment-41057 written by Mark Davis , March 27, 2008 "Dale: Shame, you're not living up to Scott's standards, again." Mark, for Christmas, I've asked St. Nicholas to gift to you a… ‘Reading comprehension for trigger-happy emoting progressive liberals’ A primer for those wetting their pants with a response before the dawn of understanding. written by Mark Davis , March 27, 2008 “Steve has his typically smelly bunk filled with conspiracy cheese puffs, but there is the broader question as to how we should handle information as adults (well, most of us).” It was a dark and stormy night, almost, but not quite, filled with a million apprehensions... “I bring this up because I read Susan Jacoby's recent book that called into question this tendency to treat everything through a partisan prism, from science to history to social policy. It wasn't always that way!” Ogg and Thag were getting ready for dinner. Ogg wanted to BBQ a recently oft Mammoth in a light red mud sauce. Thag wanted a more natural taste… raw, and objected to the evil yellow burning log thingy contributing to Global Warming during the Ice Age. Ogg killed Thag, roasted him, and enjoyed a spot of hairy long pork. Science… history… social policy As long as someone has a different point of view, life will be seen through a partisan prism It was always this way! - Dale Cose Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:45:57 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/14048/2244/#comment-41050 President Bush and VP Cheney's plans are working perfectly. First Cheney met with Ken Lay and the other energy pirates and devised a scheme to bilk California and western rateppayers out of billions of dollars. Then they decide to make the big bucks for thier caimpaign contributers and start the Iraq War so Haliburton, Blackwater and all those good compaines could make billions along with the arms dealers. Their actions fueled global insecurity so petroleum prices could skyrocket and all the good ole boys could make lots of oil money. Meanwhile they got everybody arguing about wheter there were weapons of mass destrction in Iraq and who is a bigger idiot Hillary or Obama or Mcain. Great plan working to perfection. - Great Plan Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:24:36 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/14048/2244/#comment-41044 Steve has his typically smelly bunk filled with conspiracy cheese puffs, but there is the broader question as to how we should handle information as adults (well, most of us). I bring this up because I read Susan Jacoby's recent book that called into question this tendency to treat everything through a partisan prism, from science to history to social policy. It wasn't always that way! In fact, I fully admit that there are many nuances built into the analysis of the build-up to 9/11 and the aftermath. Who wouldn't? Could the CIA worked more on the topic of terrorism in the 90s? Absolutely. Could the Clinton administration or the Bush administration have fully anticipated the magnitude of 9/11? Probably not. Could the military have done better to prepare for an Afghan theater of operations? Sure. Could the military have better prepared for the aftermath of the fall of Baghdad? It appears that way. Is there value in trying to reinterpret history to link Saddam to OBL? Not much. The take-away, though, is that polemics and conspiracy theories turn our arguments from gold into dross. I wasn't being polemical about Clinton's contributions, just balancing the claims of someone who was. - Mark Davis Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:14:58 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/14048/2244/#comment-41042 Keep up the good work!!You fools keep argueing with each other about small potatoes meenwhile the politicians are raking us over the coals.Your rights are being stripped away as well as your money.So your frustrated,as you should be!Get a clue ,its just what they want you to be so they can go on with buisiness as usual. People need to stop fighting with each other and look at who the real enemy is. - rick sanders Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:09:42 +0100 http://tracypress.com/content/view/14048/2244/#comment-41032 Mark is right to say he is not a democrat..... what is it thats even farther to the left? thats what he is. a Whacko, "Tin-Foil-O-Crat". a, "Coo-Coo for CoCo Puffs" Leftist who Writes Hillarys Bosnia-under-fire History revisions..... Mark Says.."we are into the sixth year of a war in Iraq that had no connection to the terrorism of 9/11...De-bunked. he says,"The Clinton justice department also successfully prosecuted the World Trade Center bombings of 1993...absurd and also De-Bunked... he says, "Bush administration ignored 9/11 precursor reports ...also de-bunked. He also says,"There is a wealth of information that shows little or no connection between Iraq and 9/11 terrorism, including the 9/11 commission report...also debunked Mark Davis = BUNK. - Steve Reshakis Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:59:59 +0100